Chinese Economics Thread

xiabonan

Junior Member
There is that no doubt. Especially those that didn't vote for the LNP. But there is underlying anti china sentiment. And distrust of china. China bashers in Aus forums are already talking about Chinese stealing their jobs, pushing property prices, gobbling Aus assets....etc BEFORE the FTA was reached. It's gonna get worse

I'm in Singapore and people here talk about such issues as well. Even within China citizens of Shanghai and Beijing accuse migrant workers of pushing up prices, crowding out local people, and taking away jobs, plus not behaving according to local standards.

It's really nothing new all over the world.
 

Martian

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China signs FTA with Australia

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Note: EU is not a country and we bump China up one spot to world #2 in country rank.

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Franklin

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China has cut its benchmark interest rate from 6% to 5,6%. This is the first time the interest rate has been cut in more than 2 years. This is in response to the slowing economy and growing bad loans in the system. Personally I think this policy move is more about preventing systemic risk than about spurring growth. It makes it easier for companies and local governments to service their debts. In my view its a quiet bailout of the state owned enterprises and the local governments. Which I think is a bad idea. They should let the chips fall where they may and allow the bad loans to go sour. In the short run it will be bad for GDP growth but in the long run it will lead to a more balanced economy. This only perpetuates the bubble's in the economy.

China’s PBOC Cuts Interest Rates for First Time Since 2012

China cut benchmark interest rates for the first time since July 2012 as leaders step up support for the world’s second-largest economy, sending global shares, oil and metals prices higher.

The one-year lending rate was reduced by 0.4 percentage point to 5.6 percent, while the one-year deposit rate was lowered by 0.25 percentage point to 2.75 percent, effective tomorrow, the People’s Bank of China said on its website today.

The reduction puts China on the side of the European Central Bank and Bank of Japan in deploying fresh stimulus and contrasts with the Federal Reserve, which has stopped its quantitative easing program. Until today, the PBOC had focused on selective monetary easing and liquidity injections as China heads for its slowest full-year growth since 1990.

“It’s absolutely the right thing to do,” said Wang Tao, chief China economist at UBS AG in Hong Kong. “Real interest rates have moved up significantly with slowing growth and inflation, which hurts corporate cash flow and balance sheet and threatens to increase non-performing loans.”

The MSCI All-Country World Index advanced 0.2 percent at 11:21 a.m. in London, with the Stoxx Europe 600 Index rallying 1.3 percent and Standard & Poor’s 500 Index futures up 0.5 percent. Oil rose for a second day as copper climbed 1.1 percent.
Photographer: Tomohiro Ohsumi/Bloomberg

A pedestrian walks past the People's Bank Of China headquarters in the financial district of Beijing.

Prudent Policy

“This interest rates adjustment is a neutral operation and doesn’t mean any change in monetary policy direction,” the central bank said in a statement on its website explaining the rate cuts. As China is still able to keep medium to high growth rates, it “has no need to take strong stimulus measures, and the direction of prudent monetary policy won’t change,” the central bank said.

The cut in the benchmark rates follows liquidity injections and targeted cuts to reserve requirements. Although the PBOC scrapped controls on most borrowing costs in July 2013, banks still use benchmark rates as a guide for loans including mortgages.

The PBOC was said to have added money to the banking system today as a cash shortage stemming from new share sales drove the benchmark money-market rate up by the most since July. On Nov. 6, it confirmed it pumped 769.5 billion yuan ($126 billion) to the country’s lenders via a newly-created tool called the Medium-term Lending Facility, including 500 billion yuan in September and 269.5 billion yuan in October.
Ineffective Measures

“All the targeted easing measures or the mini stimulus measures to cut the cost of financing are in fact ineffective,” said Chang Jian, chief China economist at Barclays Plc in Hong Kong, who correctly forecast one interest rate cut in the fourth quarter of this year. “So the only way to really reduce the cost of financing is through cutting the benchmark rate.”

Data released Nov. 13 showed the economy’s slowdown deepened in October. Factory production rose 7.7 percent from a year earlier, the second weakest pace since 2009, while investment in fixed assets such as machinery expanded the least since 2001 from January through October. Retail sales gains also missed economists’ forecasts last month.

Aggregate financing in October was 662.7 billion yuan, the central bank said Nov. 14 in Beijing, down from 1.05 trillion yuan in September and lower than the 887.5 billion yuan median estimate in a Bloomberg survey of analysts. New local-currency loans were 548.3 billion yuan, and M2 money supply grew 12.6 percent from a year earlier.

‘Positive Move’

The rate cut is “indicating the worsening economic situation and rising deflation risk,” Shen Jianguang, chief Asia economist at Mizuho Securities Asia Ltd. in Hong Kong, wrote in an e-mail. “A positive move for the economy, and I expect RRR cut to follow in December,” referring to the reserve ratio requirement for banks.

Today’s move suggests a shift toward pro-growth policies that may fuel even more debt. An unprecedented lending spree from 2009 to 2013 led to a surge in debt on a scale that’s triggered banking crises in other economies, according to the International Monetary Fund.

China’s total debt reached 251 percent of gross domestic product as of June, up from 234 percent in 2013 and 160 percent in 2008, according to Standard Chartered Plc estimates.

The PBOC’s easing comes as Mario Draghi says the European Central Bank must drive inflation higher quickly, and will broaden its asset-purchase program if needed to achieve that. Meanwhile, Fed officials are weighing whether they should communicate more of their views about the probable pace of interest-rate increases after they lift off zero next year.

“Certainly, the divergence between the major economies is going to a major feature of the next few months,” said Mark Williams, Capital Economics’s chief Asia economist in London. “It’s relatively, and historically, unusual for the major central banks moving in different directions like this.”

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wtlh

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China has cut its benchmark interest rate from 6% to 5,6%. This is the first time in more than 2 years. This is in response to the slowing economy and growing bad loans in the system. Personally I think this policy move is more about preventing systemic risk than about spurring growth. It makes it easier for companies and local governments to service their debts. Its in my view a quiet bailout of the state owned enterprises and the local governments. Which I think is a bad idea. They should let the chips fall where they may and allow the bad loans to go sour. In the short run it will be bad for GDP growth but in the long run it will lead to a more balanced economy. This only perpetuates the bubble's in the economy.



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It is like pilot adjusting pitch on approach to landing. You cannot just let the chips fall like you say, as things can spiral quickly out of control, and there is every chance that you may end up crash land hard.

Especially we are talking about these gigantic SOEs and local governments, which are almost a part of the Chinese social economic fabric. They have to do it in a controlled and measure manner.

As a Chinese medicine practitioner would say, too strong the medicine and too much haste would result in the death of the patient. Measured and balanced are the key words here.

I expect the overall policy will continue as previously prescribed, just as the central bank is saying, with small adjustments and sweeteners every now and then to keep things within the window of manageability.
 
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solarz

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This won't have a profound impact on the Chinese economy, but is nevertheless a fascinating piece of history:

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article said:
The world’s oldest monopoly has crumbled.
The Chinese government this week dissolved its salt monopoly, ending the state’s control over a sector that has been in place since the 7th century BC as it pursues market reforms and a streamlined bureaucracy.

The importance of the salt revenues for ancient Chinese states gave rise to a number of philosophical debates over the utility and morality of indirect taxes. The most famous of these adumbrated modern Communist China: that a strong state, rather than private merchants, underpins a strong economy.
Similar debates may persist but the role of salt itself has diminished hugely: indeed China National Salt Industry Corp, which functions as both salt regulator and marketer, is now a recipient of state largesse, pocketing Rmb720m ($118m) in subsidies in 2012.
“It’s only a small portion of national revenues. There’s no reason to have so many people involved up and down the bureaucratic chain,” says Ma Wanfeng, of Beijing Orient Agribusiness Consultant.
The picture was very different back when the Han dynasty adopted the salt monopoly in 119BC as a means of funding its aggressive expansion. By the third to fifth centuries, salt accounted for 80-90 per cent of state revenues in some of the kingdoms established after the Han dynasty collapsed.
In the first half of the last century, Communist armies found easy allies in rural salt manufacturers of the North China plain, after a crackdown designed to preserve the ruling Kuomintang’s lucrative table salt monopoly, Ralph Thaxton of Brandeis University writes in Salt of the Earth: The Political Origins of Peasant Protest and Communist Revolution in China.

The Communist Party retained the national salt monopoly after it came to power in 1949.
Local salt producers will soon be able to market salt directly, including in other provinces, rather than having to sell to China Salt. Prices will be liberalised from 2016 while new licences to enter the salt business will be granted from 2017, according to Chinese state media reports.
Although local producers, unlike the state distributor, are profitable, they are banking on liberalisation to boost their income.
Chicago-based Morton Salt, known for its logo of a girl holding a purple umbrella, agreed last month with the Shanghai bureau of China Salt to expand its imports of table salt and industrial salt into China, the world’s largest market. The JV will also open a new packaging plant in Shanghai next year, in apparent anticipation of the opening of the market.
 

wtlh

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This won't have a profound impact on the Chinese economy, but is nevertheless a fascinating piece of history:

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This is actually really, really significant in terms of Chinese history!

As a side note on history: The Ming Empire only issued salt bonds to soldiers as payments. And this gave economic incentives for salt merchants to wanting to deliver goods and services to remote parts of China where these soldiers are stationed to exchange for the salt bonds, from which they then can exchange for salt from government distributors and legally make a big profit on selling salt. Salt was an essential part of the imperial military logistic system.
 

solarz

Brigadier
This is actually really, really significant in terms of Chinese history!

As a side note on history: The Ming Empire only issued salt bonds to soldiers as payments. And this gave economic incentives for salt merchants to wanting to deliver goods and services to remote parts of China where these soldiers are stationed to exchange for the salt bonds, from which they then can exchange for salt from government distributors and legally make a big profit on selling salt. Salt was an essential part of the imperial military logistic system.

Fascinating! Sounds like salt was almost a second currency next to silver!
 

Franklin

Captain
It is like pilot adjusting pitch on approach to landing. You cannot just let the chips fall like you say, as things can spiral quickly out of control, and there is every chance that you may end up crash land hard.

Especially we are talking about these gigantic SOEs and local governments, which are almost a part of the Chinese social economic fabric. They have to do it in a controlled and measure manner.

As a Chinese medicine practitioner would say, too strong the medicine and too much haste would result in the death of the patient. Measured and balanced are the key words here.

I expect the overall policy will continue as previously prescribed, just as the central bank is saying, with small adjustments and sweeteners every now and then to keep things within the window of manageability.

My sense is that this move is less about spurring new loans and growth and more about alleviating the pressure on the debt burdens of local governments and state owned companies as the economy slows. But right now its still too early to tell and we will have to wait and see.
 
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