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PBoC Governor: 我跟(证监会)吴清主席说了,只要这个事情做得好,未来可以再来5000亿,或者第三个5000亿元,我们(的态度)是开放的。
they can say they are open to many things. But it hasn't actually happened.
 

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I've been talking about this issue for weeks now. Apple saw a huge drop in its sales in China in Q3. All the data shows this. Now, apparently Western media has picked it up.

At least they coupled this with overall shipment are up 26%, so that they can't just blame it on Chinese economy
 

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In this forum if you don't do manufacturing you are just negative surplus, especially finance and investment is viewed as leeching the society. Maybe the Chinese officials have that view too. Rising stock market is nothing because we can pour money to real estate because real estate bring massive revenue to local governments. Then we have housing bubble.
I mean it's a basic logical truth that growth is worth exponentially less the more stratified the benefit recievers are.

A few people here will act is if saying this is equal to being Pol Pot and arguing for abolishment of economics, when it is simply a law of nature.

If 100 people achieve each a net value increase of 1 million vs if 1 person achieves a net value increase of 100 million, the former creates a lot more economical activity, innovation and ultimately far more prosperity.
 

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I mean it's a basic logical truth that growth is worth exponentially less the more stratified the benefit recievers are.

A few people here will act is if saying this is equal to being Pol Pot and arguing for abolishment of economics, when it is simply a law of nature.

If 100 people achieve each a net value increase of 1 million vs if 1 person achieves a net value increase of 100 million, the former creates a lot more economical activity, innovation and ultimately far more prosperity.
Yup, that's the ideal. Unfortunately, the Chinese are more selfish and individualist than people think. We should accept that in a certain limit, some people will receive more benefits than other.
 

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So, China decides to fight back by making its market not accessible to Western companies that comply with the Xinjiang cotton trade.

I assume this is due to "China week" stuff and the recent banning of Chinese auto software/hardware. Let's see if they come up with anything else.
 

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A short description of what PBoC governor Pan said below. Good first steps, austerity doesn't work. Now we only need a fiscal package from central government and the economy is going back to booming like before covid

What this is is a big fat ugly PR/propaganda campaign from the PBOC and the Chinese government. You have to put the raw numbers in the stimulus package into context of a 18 trillion dollar economy, a 10 trillion dollars stock market, a gross savings rate of 44% and a trade surplus of between 800 billion to a trillion dollars a year. The numbers in the stimulus package is too small to really make a difference. This is not about fundamentally changing the direction of the economy or policy but its designed to ease some of the anger of stock and real estate investors.

What are we talking about here.

The 0,5% cut in RRR only releases less than 150 billion dollars in to the economy. And maybe there will be another 150 billion dollars released before years end. And that for a 18 trillion dollar economy.

The reduction of interest payment on existing mortgages come to about 21 billion dollars a year worth of savings for mortgage holders.

A 10 to 30 basis point cut to some of the MLF rate is going to do jack for loan demand.

There going to spend about 70 billion dollars buying stocks in a 10 trillion dollars stock market. How big of difference do you think that will really make.

China hasn't announce any big bazooka stimulus like back in 2008 or have they eased the three red lines for the real estate industry.
 
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