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crobato

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China says stimulus plan important for world

BEIJING (AP) -- China's massive stimulus package is meant to help support global growth by boosting Chinese investment and consumer spending, Premier Wen Jiabao said Monday.

"We must implement the measures to ensure a fast and stable economic development," Wen, the country's top economic official, said at a meeting of government leaders, according to a report read out on the state television evening news. "They are not only the needs of the development of ourselves, but also our biggest contribution to the world."

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Stock markets in Japan, Hong Kong and mainland China soared after Sunday's announcement of the 4 trillion yuan, or $586 billion, package as Beijing joined moves by governments around the world to cushion the blow of the global slowdown. The plan calls for higher spending on roads, airports and other infrastructure, tax deductions for exporters and more aid to the poor and farmers. Spending on health and education will increase, as well as on environmental protection and high technology.

Wen said China must increase investment and consumer spending, maintain export growth, enhance corporate competitiveness, reform financial industries and improve the health development of the real estate industry, according to the state television report. It gave no other details.

China's announcement came as economic officials from the Group of 20 leading economies, which includes major wealthy and developing nations, called Sunday for increased government spending to boost the troubled global economy. At a meeting in Brazil, G20 finance ministers and central bank governors also said emerging economies deserve a prominent role in talks to overhaul the world financial system.

China's move follows an unexpectedly sharp downturn in economic growth that has raised the prospect of job losses and unrest.

Exporters say orders have fallen sharply, leading to an increase in factory closures and layoffs. Chinese economic growth fell to 9 percent in the latest quarter, its lowest level in five years, and analysts expect export growth to fall as low as zero in coming months as global demand weakens.

The plan represents another drastic step away from lending curbs and other anti-inflation measures that Beijing imposed over the past three years but has been rolling back since mid-2008 as government alarm about slowing economic growth mounts.

Economists noted that the plan depends on corporate investment and promises bank lending for rural projects, smaller companies and consumers.

"I don't believe a fiscal stimulus alone is enough to keep growth going. I see it as the jump-starting of a car. Corporate investment and bank lending are the fuel that will be necessary to keep it going," said UBS Securities economist Tao Wang.

Beijing might supply one-quarter of the announced spending, or 1 trillion yuan ($145 billion), with the rest coming from increased investment by Chinese state companies, bank lending or bond sales by local authorities for individual projects, said Ting Lu, a Merrill Lynch economist.

"Many state companies have a lot of cash. They just need to use it," Lu said.

News of the plan sparked rallies on many Asian markets, with the Shanghai Composite index -- which has plunged by two-thirds since it peaked last October -- jumping 7.3 percent to 1,874.80. Japan's Nikkei 225 index surged 5.8 percent to 9,081.43.

It also lifted sagging oil prices on hopes that it would stimulate energy demand. Oil rose $2.69 to $63.70 a barrel in Asian trading on the New York Mercantile exchange.

Also Monday, the government said China's wholesale inflation eased in October, which gives authorities more leeway to stimulate the economy without the threat that they might ignite new price rises. Producer prices rose 6.6 percent in October from the year-earlier period, down from August's 12-year high of 10.1 percent.

Alarmed at falling growth, the government switched its official goal in mid-2008 from a single focus on fighting inflation to a dual target of ensuring fast economic expansion while also containing price rises. It has cut interest rates three times in recent weeks and lifted limits on how much each Chinese bank can lend.

The government's announcement appears to exaggerate the size of its plan by including projects already under way, including reconstruction from the devastating May earthquake in China's southwest, said Sherman Chan, an economist for Moody's Economy.com.

"The exaggeration highlights the government's desperation to revive sentiment, which is perhaps the key factor to sustaining growth amid global turmoil," Chan said in a report.

The promise of more social spending represents an expansion of efforts in recent years to spread China's new prosperity to the countryside and urban poor -- an effort that some dubbed China's "New Deal" after programs launched by U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt during the Great Depression of the 1930s.

"Higher social welfare spending and rural reforms will help boost consumption," said a report by Jing Ulrich, JP Morgan & Co.'s chairwoman for China equities.
 

SampanViking

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Even at growth of between 8 - 9% pa this means that China will double in the next ten years everything it has achieved in the last 30! This time however it will be the Interior Provinces and Manchuria that will feel the full weight of the benefit.

This means that China's heartlands are now going to join the Coastal Provinces as Modern Developed States. Where is money coming from? out of reserves. Whether it is taken from existing reserves or from future Forex earnings is unclear. It seems likely though that Treasury Bill purchases will be reduced as a consequence however.
 

AssassinsMace

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Civil turmoil in China good for the Phillipines!

Get this guy who writes for the Manila Times. He's hoping that China plunders into chaos because that will mean it will be unattractive to foreign investors and will instead give their money to the Phillippines.



Wednesday, November 12, 2008


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By Mike wooTton
China’s problems—Philippines opportunities



When you are the factory of the world, a severe economic downturn among your buyers has a major effect. This is the case with China now, and it is why it has just announced a spending package of over $580 billion. China needs to keep its people occupied because if they are not occupied and able to earn money they will cause trouble. So far this year 67,000 businesses in South China have closed down, and the rate of migration from Shenzhen and Guangzhou back to the countryside is keeping the railways very busy indeed.

China’s recent ‘spectacular’ economic growth has been largely founded on its manufacturing and exporting, as I have said before it’s quite a challenge these days to find any small consumer items that are not made in China. There are however counter arguments to the relative importance of China’s exports to its GDP growth—it is said that because now much raw material is imported to China for manufacture into other exportable goods that the dependency on exports is not as high as it appears, and that therefore a slowdown in the US/World economy would not affect China to the degree that may be imagined. It is said that investment and domestic demand are the main drivers of China’s economic growth. But, for there to be more investment and growing domestic demand there need to be growing export markets—to keep people in jobs so that they have the money to spend to grow domestic demand, as well as to build/expand more production facilities to make the things that are to be exported. I therefore still believe, despite the counter arguments that a downturn in the US/World economy will be significantly detrimental to China’s future growth prospects.

So what has all this got to do with the Philippines? Well what it has to do with the Philippines is that a slowdown in China manufacturing for export may create opportunity for Philippines manufacturing for export. The reason for this is that China is planning to inject over $ 580 billion into internal spending (infrastructure projects, healthcare etc) in order to create jobs for those who lose their jobs as a result of the World economic downturn. The Chinese government does not want idle hands which cannot earn a living in the new China economy, as those who do not have jobs will not now be taken care of by the state as used to be the case, and being Chinese may just start fomenting civil unrest—in fact civil unrest is a continuing facet of China’s social structure these days, and recently it is on the increase.

So with a reasonably high likelihood of civil unrest in China and the diversion of skills/labour away from manufacturing for export to domestic infrastructure work, investors may view China as less attractive than it has been viewed earlier. With the closing down of so many export oriented small and medium sized businesses in China the capacity, in more than just skills, will be reduced, equipment and manufacturing facilities will be less available. There will also be I suspect some disillusionment amongst “the people” (laobaixing) with the new China model, and a preference to go back to state generated employment, which is after all what spending lots of money on infrastructure projects, is—back to the (good) old days!

Now is the time for the Philippines to start seriously selling itself as a manufacturing location in Asia with the much vaunted English speaking and skilled workforce that it has. For some time now the attractiveness of China as a foreign investment destination has been preeminent, the World economic down turn has put uncertainty into that, so come on Philippines start marketing in earnest, it’s a really good opportunity to create some good opportunity for Filipinos at home.

Mike can be contacted at [email protected]

Well I just had a friend travel to the Phillippines within the last year and he never wants to go back. First of all he's caucasion and he was warned that he could potentionally be kidnapped for ransom. Why? Because not many Westerners travel through the Phillipines except for businessmen which is why people will kidnap them thinking they'll get money. He had to travel with an armed escort at all times especially when outside the city and he's just a tourist. Before this I always thought that the Phillippines would be a "friendly" nation to travel. It has a democracy and they love and are big followers of Americans and Western culture in general. It has tropical beaches that would make great resorts to attract Western travelers like Thailand. I know so many Filipino computer programmers that it makes me wonder why the Phillippines doesn't rival India in outsourcing. But all this is for not because apparently the government from the local to national level is so corrupt that it's virtually impossible to do any kind of business and build the necessary infrastructure. Besides this guy seems to forget this is a global financial crisis. If foreign corporations aren't producing in China because of costs, they're not likely to produce it or spend the money setting up in another country either. Even if jobs were lost in China, it only means the unemployed there will just be more willing to work for a lower wage. So with all its domestic problems, the Phillippines doesn't have an edge when it's all summed up.
 
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bladerunner

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I had a relative who had an opportunity to work in the Phillipines for a international corp. way back in the late 60's.He went and had a look and turned it down then. He valued his life too much, as well as the corruption and the way they toted guns around, he reckon it was like the American wild west when it came to carrying guns.I think he also told me that it was ok to sort out your differences with a gun duel or something.
Anyway with the advantages the Phillipines had with America, one would have thought they would have reached the economic development of S Korea or Taiwan. THe fact that they havent and other countries like Vietnam THailand Malaysia and Indonesia have surpased it, would suggest they arent likely to either, in the near future.
 

crobato

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U.S. colleges scour China for top students
By Tracy Jan
The Boston Globe
Tuesday, November 11, 2008

BEIJING: Do not be fooled by the teenager's slender frame and wire-rimmed glasses. His name is Tiger - and he is an American high school student's worst nightmare.

The 16-year-old junior, as adept at proving geometry theorems as he is at defending a soccer shot, has set his sights on Harvard University. And Harvard, on him.

Last month, Tiger and dozens of China's brightest students gathered in a five-star hotel blocks from Tiananmen Square for the final round of a math contest. They competed under the watchful gaze of William Fitzsimmons, Harvard's admissions dean, who has handpicked undergraduates for three decades.

Students like Tiger, or Li Taibo in Chinese, represent the future face of elite U.S. colleges, their greatest hope as they vie to maintain international dominance. It is especially true for Harvard, which is trying to elevate the profile of its math and sciences to be on par with its legendary humanities program.

Eager to cultivate generations of students in this new frontier, admissions officers from premier U.S. universities are scouring China to recruit top high school students who may dismiss such colleges as out of reach and unaffordable. In the campaign during the contest last month, representatives of Harvard, Brown and Stanford touted liberal arts education, research opportunities and dorm life to students and their parents - even promising full scholarships.

"There are no quotas, no limits on the number of Chinese students we might take," Fitzsimmons told a standing-room-only crowd of more than 300 students during a visit to Beijing No. 4 High School. "We know there are very good students from China not applying now. I hope to get them into the pool to compete."

That message is disconcerting for U.S. students toiling to land a coveted spot in Harvard's freshman class of 1,660 students - and controversial among some educators. But Fitzsimmons and others say they had better get used to the idea. Applications from China have exploded in recent years as the country opens up to the world, and they are only going to increase.

Fifth-graders in the United States, who as adults will face international competition for jobs, should begin beefing up their academic credentials if they want a shot at an Ivy League education, Fitzsimmons said.

"We're trying to send a message to young people, as young as primary school, to make the most of their studies," he said, "because they'll be competing with students around the world later on."

The first Shing-Tung Yau High School Mathematics Awards, named for the Harvard math professor who organized it, drew more than 900 students from all corners of the country. The 40 finalists who assembled for three days in Beijing had spent the past six months preparing to shine in front of both the judges, who included three Harvard professors, and the admissions deans they would meet.

"This is a historic event," Fitzsimmons said. "We're trying to get out the word that Harvard is world class in math, science and engineering - not just in the humanities."

The stakes were clear for the Chinese students and their families at the contest. Nervous parents and teachers, barred from the hotel conference room where each team presented their projects, knelt outside, snapping photos of contestants and judges through the glass doors.

Down the hallway, students in school uniforms adjusted their ties and huddled among teammates, practicing their presentations in hushed murmurs.

"It might change my life, my whole life, I think," said Tiger, ranked among the top 10 students in his class of 750.

Raised on an army base on the outskirts of the Chinese capital, Tiger lives at school in a spartan, third-floor dorm room with five other boys. He has never set foot in the United States. But he visits Harvard often on the Internet, imagining himself crossing the historic campus on his way to class or, perhaps, to a party.

"Harvard is so beautiful compared to the campuses of Chinese universities," said Tiger, who crams for the verbal portion of the SAT from his lower bunk bed. "I want to go because it is said that schools in the United States inspire you to think, instead of just teaching you what to do."

The competition served as a vivid reminder of how the global economy is hitting college admissions, much like it is hitting U.S. corporations.

Many U.S. universities have begun recruiting in China in recent years, but those efforts have tended to focus on high school visits or university fairs, and none have generated the slew of attention from the Chinese news media that Harvard garnered last month.

And while universities are seeking applicants throughout the world, the rising influence of China and the academic devotion of its students make it especially appealing.

Ushered around Beijing during his five days here, Fitzsimmons played the role of a diplomat.

In speeches to students and dignitaries, he predicted that Harvard's outreach to Chinese students would foster improved U.S.-China relations that would ultimately benefit the world. Harvard-educated Chinese, he reasoned, would probably return to the country to help shape its development.

The number of Chinese students applying to Harvard has swelled from only 10 two decades ago to nearly 500 last school year. Fewer than 8 percent of all applicants are admitted. Thirty-five Chinese undergraduates are currently enrolled.

Applicants from China would increase even more if the Chinese government allows students on the mainland to take the SAT without having to go to Hong Kong or Taiwan - a mission Fitzsimmons pursued during private talks with high-ranking officials.

Yau, the chairman of Harvard's math department who conceived of last month's competition, has returned to his homeland not only to spur the improvement of math education in China through the contest, which rewards students for creativity and collaboration, but also to help funnel a generation of Chinese high school students into premier U.S. colleges. He even vowed to pay personally for the travels of needy students to conquer the SAT.

"I want to help the very poorest students in China make their dreams come true," said Yau, who won the prestigious Fields Medal and is considered one of the greatest mathematicians in the world.

But that is a difficult prospect for some of his colleagues in Cambridge to swallow. Harry Lewis, a computer science professor, supports international admissions but worries that Harvard is making it harder for American students to get in.

"There's a real tension here," said Lewis, a former dean of Harvard College who sits on the admissions committee. "We get tax exemptions not so we can help build the economy of China, but so we can help contribute to the economy of the United States."

That being said, Lewis acknowledged that "we're not alarmed enough in this country about the lack of interest and motivation we're giving to math education here."

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bladerunner

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Its as I suggested in my earlier posting .....on whether all of that650 billion was new money and not all ready previously budgeted

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.............Even so, Marc Chandler, global head of currency strategy at Brown Brothers Harriman & Co in New York, estimated that only about a quarter of the package, or $150 billion, represents new spending, Bloomberg reported.

That view was echoed by DBS on Tuesday. The bank's researchers said they did not want to overstate the scale of the stimulus package at this stage because it was unclear how much of it was in addition to government expenditure mentioned previously.

The government's 4 trillion package for the coming two years "includes all those individual plans announced earlier, either officially or unofficially", Merrill Lynch economist Ting Lu said on Monday.
 

bladerunner

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THe Japanese quite often doubled counted their government stimulus packages of the past, so it wouldnt be unusual for the Chinese to adopt similar practices
 

Quickie

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Re: Civil turmoil in China good for the Phillipines!

''Wednesday, November 12, 2008

VIEWS FROM A BRIT
By Mike wooTton
China’s problems—Philippines opportunities

When you are the factory of the world, a severe economic downturn among your buyers has a major effect. This is the case with China now, and it is why it has just announced a spending package of over $580 billion. China needs to keep its people occupied because if they are not occupied and able to earn money they will cause trouble..."



The author seems to think that international companies set up manufacturing and business centres in China just for the sole purpose of export, and forget that some of these companies is actually doing good business in China and in some cases better business than in the company's country of origin.

Closing down some of the factories may not be an entirely bad thing in the same way manufacturing products at dirt cheap cost may not be an entirely good thing either.
 
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