Chinese Economics Thread

Yes this might be able to cut down the number of primary school teachers required but you will still need the many classrooms for smaller class sizes.

And it is for the future, not for the time being. Specifically I'd avoid letting primary school kids use computers without being supervised constantly. There are too many pitfalls when kids of this age get hooked up to computers of the existing forms. We have seen what happened during the pandemic. Perhaps in 5 to 10 years or so, when humanoids become common in most households, it will be okay.

Well you wouldn't want to reduce the number of teachers anyways - those are jobs after all. It is more about maximizing what can be achieved with the existing number of teachers, or rather what kind of additional investment into the education system should be pursued (ie hiring more teachers vs developing technology to enhance productivity of each teacher).

Definitely computer use by children should be supervised, but computer use should be encouraged. As technology continues to advance, I believe earlier exposure to computers by children will be a good thing. Just need to ensure there are also proper mechanisms for monitoring and access control - last thing you want is for a young child to have unrestricted internet access!
 

SanWenYu

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Definitely computer use by children should be supervised, but computer use should be encouraged. As technology continues to advance, I believe earlier exposure to computers by children will be a good thing. Just need to ensure there are also proper mechanisms for monitoring and access control - last thing you want is for a young child to have unrestricted internet access!
Not just unrestricted internet access that hurts.

The formats of the digital media, and the forms of the computers in particular their input and output devices, are not suitable for small kids. We live in 3D world with true surround sound. We touch, smell and taste. We bleed and feel pains. Computers cannot yet do any of these easily.

But we are going off topic.
 

james smith esq

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Honestly while I agree with the general sentiment behind having more teachers per student, isn't there also a merit to having larger classes? The current system has proved capable of producing some of if not the best prepared students globally, for many many years.

Chinese school runs using large classes with a single, "authoritarian/impersonal" lecturer (as opposed to European style teaching where teachers develop more personal relations with students). If that sounds familiar to you, it should, because that's how universities globally are run as well. A lot of elite universities in many different countries manage to create really really good graduates using this system.

With large classes, you isolate the students and encourage them to study in small groups rather than approach things as a "whole class". It also pushes students towards learning how to study on their own, rather than being guided by sometimes overly coddling adults.

An impersonal lecturer puts out information and sets a goal for the student to achieve. Students essentially recieve an obstacle and are asked to solve it using their own problem solving skills.

That's teaching kids from an early age the expectations that will come in work and university. It's teaching them to organize with their peers, plan ahead and take responsibility over their own lives.

There are strengths and drawbacks in both models, and some European countries have achieved good results as well. Instead of just splitting classes and hiring more teachers, the best path might be to study the advances and disadvantages, then reform the existing system based on the result.

Even though I'm just an amateur in educational theory, this topic is still very interesting to me.
All the theorizing about academic achievement/outcomes as a function of class size is interesting, but misses the point, and avoids the topic of this thread.

Is anyone, here, familiar with the historical bases for the stereotype of Chinese not being technologically innovative?

The topic is Chinese Economics, and teaching is a vital and honorable profession. So, maybe the optimal approach to the educational industry is not to be found purely in educational theory, but in combining the goals of achieving desired academic outcomes with creating more teaching jobs!

A, btw, smaller class sizes are most effective when children are still at the stage of learning in which they encounter ‘zones of proximal development’!
 

paiemon

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Potentially, China can give its economy a big boost by scrapping the hukou policy (household registration), except for tier 1 and maybe tier 2 cities.
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To be fair, the ridiculous housing costs in those cities basically act as a better barrier to talent and mobility then any registration system does. We are seeing that unfold in real time in the San Francisco bay area.
 

SanWenYu

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Potentially, China can give its economy a big boost by scrapping the hukou policy (household registration), except for tier 1 and maybe tier 2 cities.
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I'd say it's too late for a big boost.

More than 2/3 of the whole population have already urbanized after all. There are not that many farming population still wanting to leave for urban life. Most of the hundreds of millions migration workers have already called where they work home even without hukou. Getting rid of hukou might give them some peace of mind but it won't change their lives much.

Hukou has not been a hurdle for those who can afford a luxary house or those who can find a well-paid job in the top tier cities. They don't need to change just because hukou is no longer needed.

Those who live in small towns might not want to move either. The well known high living cost in the top tier cities is a challenge. It is even more challenging to find a job in such places for newcomers when the economy isn't booming.
 

manqiangrexue

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Yes. Saying I am talking like a westerner is totally irrelevant to the discussion.
No, it's not at all. I'm saying your economic analysis in post 28440 sounds exactly like the eternally wrong Western pundit analysis of the Chinese economy. You saying that we can't compare China to other economies is irrelevent to any economic discussion. What I said is the truth; but you didn't like that truth so you pretended it was a personal attack. It was just a look in the mirror for you and you gasped at what you saw so you complained about the mirror LOL.
You said I am presenting no solution but several posts i was talking about how Chinese banks should sell a bit of foreign reserve for stimulus (and thankfully they are doing it) just to prop up demand and create more jobs, one of the effective way to fight deflation and youth employment itself.
Ohhhhh so now there is an effective way to fight deflation? You just said that there was no effective way to fight deflation. That's the comment I quoted. Each one of your comments needs to be scrutinizable by itself; nobody should need to read your whole comment history to argue with you.
Now when I point out your hypocrisy
Your hypocrisy was first saying there is no effective way to fight deflation, and now saying there is. Where is mine? Or is this another word you used without knowing the meaning of?
now you starting to look into my argument which you chose you to ignore in the first place and instead called me talking like a westerner.
Actually, I read your argument, and said you talk like a Westerners because of what I read. I did not read ALL of your argument history, and that is not necessary for debate.
If you want proper conversation, I am very willing.
Willing but not capable, unfortunately.
If you want to get to people nerve, you are still an amateur, just my obversation.
LOLOL It seems like it worked a bit too well for you. I said you sound like a Westerner and you immediately went into kindergarten mode bellyaching that I'm calling you names and using personal attacks LOL. Your observation is as wrong here as when you said that there is no effective way to fight deflation, a statement you had to retract and contradict.
 

Quan8410

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No, it's not at all. I'm saying your economic analysis in post 28440 sounds exactly like the eternally wrong Western pundit analysis of the Chinese economy. You saying that we can't compare China to other economies is irrelevent to any economic discussion. What I said is the truth; but you didn't like that truth so you pretended it was a personal attack. It was just a look in the mirror for you and you gasped at what you saw so you complained about the mirror LOL.

Ohhhhh so now there is an effective way to fight deflation? You just said that there was no effective way to fight deflation. That's the comment I quoted. Each one of your comments needs to be scrutinizable by itself; nobody should need to read your whole comment history to argue with you.

There is a difference between "effective" and "really effective" (my exact quote), really big difference in terms of long run trade-off. For example, selling too much foreign reserves may be seen as currency manipulation, why lowering interest rates will make the rates of return on insurance and pension products also will decline, threaten the social security net. Both is seen as "effective" but not "really effective" because both have repercussions to deal with.

LOLOL It seems like it worked a bit too well for you. I said you sound like a Westerner and you immediately went into kindergarten mode bellyaching that I'm calling you names and using personal attacks LOL. Your observation is as wrong here as when you said that there is no effective way to fight deflation, a statement you had to retract and contradict.
Yeah I have to admit I don't when you said I sound like a Westerner because I don't really want to be grouped with the kind of Westerners that did terrible things more than a century ago to China and to your ancestors. Nobody want to be associated with despicable beasts.
 
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