Chinese Economics Thread

Biscuits

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This makes absolutely no sense. Why does china need to keep it's currency low when America is raising interest rates? The justification in the past is that weak yuan helps with export. But reality is that Chinese exports are already dirt cheap. Any export weakness is due to global demand and protectionism rather than lack of competitiveness.

Relying on the same old trick of keeping currency down to encourage export really doesn't apply here.

On the other hand, a stronger usd simply allows deep state to continue fund it's anti china agenda.

People all day want rmb to be internationalized and for usd to weaken. But then we get to this scenario and excuses are being made again.

Go back to beginning of this year on this thread and see how many people were excited about rmb appreciating.

Either you want a stable and strong rmb that other countries are willing to invest in or you don't.
It isn't about exports only, it's also about domestic pricing. Also other countries will take RMB anyways, because they have no choice if China says they need to, regardless of the RMB value.

So far the only actual argument I see here is that suppressing currency value could make companies have worse profit margins and stop R&D, but we are simply not seeing that are we? That's firmly within hypotheticals.
You understand my point then, if China followed similar interest rates and monetary policy as the US, we would have a global liquidity crisis (and probably global financial crisis too), unlike now. China's relatively weak RMB is what's keeping all those developing countries with a small foreign reserve and lack of USD swap lines alive. That's why you hear all these stories now about xxx country starting to use RMB, because they can't afford to borrow and pay in USD right now.
This.

Some people keep saying that US continuing to force appreciation is somehow going to help them against China. Appreciation without productive development just leads to guaranteed stagnation. There is a reason US is struggling to slow down even Russia economically, despite supposedly having a much larger economy. It's inflated to hell with useless appreciation, which Americans can't use to do anything with.

At this rate, NATO is headed towards 1990s Japan territory. US is struggling to build really basic manufacturing because it has become way too expensive. And once a whole generation of workforce becomes tainted by not having any growth projects, then you will not just have issues with expenses but with industrial quality as well. Then, those negative changes become irreversible.
 

TK3600

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This is why I hate mainstream economy. Always talks about symptom not the cause. Deflation? It is a symptom. If it is caused by natural increase in production, it is good. If it is caused by collapse after a bubble like Japan, it is bad. But instead of talking about avoiding huge bubble of 1980 Japan they keeps on yapping about deflation.

And yes, car price will drop, and expect car consumption go up. Chinese electric car will lead the world, and anything China makes turn into 'cabbage'. This unlike collapse of Japanese bubble is good. The money saved will not go into blackhole, it will go into other parts economy, while car maker still profit from increased efficiency.
 

AndrewS

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gold, lending RMB to countries & capture their energy industry. invest more in BRI & buy up more mines

These alternatives just aren't enough.


I agree that you'd want to retain as much manufacturing as possible, but China is achieving that with its automation & low infrastructure/energy cost. All of which allow them to keep all the low value manufacturing they need.

the ultimate problem with them attracting more manufacturing is geopolitical. If western companies are getting told to move away from that, some will do so regardless of the costs.

It's not really about exporting more to Western markets.

We can see China already exports more to the Global South than to the West.
And Global South is still booming and is where the future growth will be.


Having manufacturing capacity in clothing & furnitures really won't matter all that much in a war. Whereas not having enough financial power during the current power struggle actually does matter

China being more integrated and important to global supply chains will help keep countries neutral towards China.

The current struggle is really a technological one. The financials will follow the technology.

And its unrealistic to expect the USD to be toppled at this point. But perhaps in 5-10 years time, when US financial imbalances are far worse and the US accounts for a smaller share of global economic activity.


China having more low value manufacturing also does not help with derisking, since any country can do them. China having higher cost in higher value manufacturing really wouldn't hurt that much, since their cost advantage in batteries, evs, wind, solar & semi are 3 or 4x. The gap is really large.

I reckon Chinese cost advantages are more like 2:1 on average, and then you have to factor in transport costs.
 

luminary

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There are still so many agricultural workers China needs to urbanize.
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RankCountryAgricultural Workers
(2019)
% of Total
Workers
1 India272M43%
2 China229M25%
3 Ethiopia59M66%
4 Indonesia51M29%
5 Pakistan40M36%
6 Nigeria40M35%
7 DRC36M63%
8 Bangladesh36M39%
9 Tanzania32M65%
10 Vietnam27M38%
 
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