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More workers should be hired for the automobile industry. There is no reason why China (10 times Japan) cannot produce 78 million (10 times Japan) cars per year. In this case, Japan and Korea car industry will have to be wiped out. China's local market can consume at least 40 million cars per year, the rest for exports.
And more will be. China's automible rise has really taken everyone off guard. In 2020 Tesla was still the best selling EV in the country, bar none, everyone else was just laying in the dirt. 2021, Tesla finally got beat in China, by a budget mini smart car company owned by General Motors. In terms of sedans though, it was still the top dog. 2022 Tesla starts losing ground to BYD, at first it was neck and neck, then towards the end of the year BYD started winning by significant margins. 2023, not even close, BYD is not just the best selling EV brand in China, but the best selling car brand, period, beating out Volkswagen. And China is now on track to be a bigger car exporter than even Japan.

As one SCMP commentary wrote, this industry will likely be China's ticket out of the middle income trap.
 

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South Korean goods lose their luster in China

Fueled by the rise of domestic manufacturing, exacerbated by Seoul's inclination to side with Washington

By GT staff reporters Published: May 04, 2023 07:39 PM


Once a much-needed supplier of products ranging from chips to ships for China, South Korea is increasingly facing a predicament as its products become less popular, and even start to be replaced by Chinese suppliers.

Shifting dynamics has led to changes in bilateral relations between the two countries who have historically been close trading partners, with South Korea showing an inclination to side with the US to fill the vacuum left by declining exports to China, while China is also diversifying its sources of imports.

According to recent data published by Reuters, South Korea's exports fell for a seventh straight month in April, which represents their "longest losing streak" for three years. The country's exports dropped by 14.2 percent year-on-year to $49 billion for the month, the report stated.

One important reason behind the nation's dropping exports is its decreasing sales to the Chinese market. According to trade statistics published by the Korea International Trade Association (KITA), the country's share of exports to China totaled 19.5 percent in the first quarter of this year. This marks the first time since 2005 that South Korea's share of exports to China has fallen below 20 percent, according to media reports,

Last month, South Korea's exports to China dropped by 26.5 percent to $9.52 billion, accounting for a $2.27 billion trade deficit with China, data from Yonhap News Agency showed.
China is still South Korea' s largest trading partner, while South Korea is China's fourth largest trade partner.

Replacing South Korean goods

Analyzing the situation, experts said that changes have been occurring over an extended period. Chinese customers no longer rely on some of South Korea's "superior products" like electronic components and cars as much as they used to. Instead, they are buying directly from Chinese suppliers.

A report published by a research academy under the KITA on Wednesday noted that Chinese exports account for the highest proportion in the world in three of five emerging industries---new-generation semiconductors, displays and rechargeable batteries. The other two emerging industries are biomedicine and electric cars, Yonhap News Agency reported.

From 2016 to 2021, the proportion of China's above-mentioned five emerging industries increased by 1.6 percentage points in terms of exports. Germany and Vietnam's industries increased by 0.9 percent and 0.7 percent respectively in terms of exports share, while the US, Japan and South Korea decreased by 1, 0.6 and 0.1 percentage point, the report noted.

In particular, South Korea's semiconductor products, which has been a major source of imports for China, has given way to the rise of local industries.

"There are three reasons why South Korea's semiconductor exports to China have suffered decline. First, many South Korean semiconductor companies are setting up plants on the Chinese mainland. Second, the production capability of Chinese local semiconductor firms has strengthened, with the ability to replace more expensive South Korean supplies. Third, South Korea is following the US' semiconductor policies, which restricts their business ties with China," Ma Jihua, a veteran tech analyst, told the Global Times on Thursday.

LüChao, a professor and Director of the Institute of the US and East Asian Studies at Liaoning University, shared a similar view. According to Lü, China is currently the largest buyer of South Korea's medium- and low-end semiconductor products. However, imports are declining as China continues to upgrade its domestic production capacity and strengthen the research and development of relevant products, he told the Global Times on Thursday.

According to a report by South Korean news portal Pulse, South Korea's exports of chips fell 49.5 percent as of March 25 compared with the same period one year ago.

Ma believed that the changes across China's and South Korea's semiconductor industries are unlikely to reverse over the short term, which means that South Korea's declining exports to China will continue.

"Against the backdrop of current international situation and China-South Korea relations, it's likely that South Korea's semiconductor industry will decline not only in terms of exports, but also in terms of its position throughout global supply chains," Ma said.

Siding with the US

Facing a changing landscape, South Korea is increasingly showing an inclination to stand by the US in the latter's crackdown against China, with the intention to let the US market fill the vacuum left by declining exports to China, analysts said.

The US is also making efforts to rope in South Korean companies to exclude Chinese companies from global chip supply chains. For example, the US is intent on setting a chip alliance along with Asian economies including Japan and South Korea to counter China's semiconductor industrial rise. South Korean chip giant and the world's second largest contract chip manufacturer Samsung also announced plans to establish a plant in Texas in 2021.

According to Lü, in the 30 years since China and South Korean established formal diplomatic relations, South Korea has gone from a completely hostile relationship to one of mutual cooperation and strategic partnership.

"However, Yoon Suk-yeol's unilateral actions to overturn this progress may drive South Korea's economy into a dead end," he said.

Experts said that South Korea's attempt to drift apart from China is an unwise policy, as there are no country in the world that can replace China's market scale, which is large enough to "digest" South Korea's production output of many products.

"South Korea is facing a dilemma that the US is pulling it away from China's semiconductor market, which is the largest buyer of South Korean electronic products," Lü said. "But the consequence is, there is no other market that has the same consumption potential as China."

On the other hand, with South Korea siding with the US to exclude China's semiconductor industries, it will further push domestic companies to accelerate replacement of overseas imports, which in turn will further squeeze the market share of South Korean products whether in China or across the globe, Ma noted.

"I think with South Korea's advantages in research and development for technology, there's still plenty of space for South Korean firms to cooperate with Chinese enterprises," Ma said. "The opportunities are there for them to grasp."
Hopefully, goods exchanges and communication with SK will soon dwindle down to nothing.

Korea has historically always been a part of China's Empire. The state of affairs where Beijing must deal with the Washington occupation of the southern half as a sovereign nation is insulting, the demand of shoddily made yet well marketed goods from SK among Chinese consumers is even more insulting. It cannot end soon enough.
 

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As one SCMP commentary wrote, this industry will likely be China's ticket out of the middle income trap.

Other way around. The car industry is just a natural outgrowth of being the dominant industrial power on the planet. We are already seeing it in a range of other industries, such as automated cleaning robots, solar panels, wind turbines, household appliances, medical devices and so on. It's not one segment but all of them.

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The next step is service sector. That has been traditionally East Asia's achilles heel. Neither Korea nor Japan has very strong companies in that area compared to what they got in the industrial sector. We'll see if China can do things differently. If the semiconductor industry really takes off, then I'm hopeful since it means Tencent/Alibaba/Baidu won't be dependent on imported chips for the bleeding edge.
 

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in petrochemicals, China continue to move up the value chain. Good example of this is with EVA (ethylene vinyl acetate) where China has 42% global market share
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i recently saw this article about Rongsheng's 300k EVA production, which is what prompted me to look
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As far and away the world's largest PV maker, there is a lot of demand in China for EVA

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explanation how EVA film is used in solar cell encapsulation.
 

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out of topic, but the arrival of automated manufacturing seem to spell certain uncertainty to the development of India..
why are people so insistence on putting down India on this forum? Both countries can develop on their own timeline. If we think that China has plenty of room for growth with automation, then we shouldn't care about what western media says about jobs leaving China to go to India and ASEAN.

In my mind, China needs to move a lot of lower end manufacturing job or final assembly jobs to Central Asia, ASEAN, India & Mexico. In some cases it's because China doesn't need to do everything on its own. In other cases, it's because it helps to build relationships with these countries and keep them tied to your supply chain. Finally, it allows these countries to open up their market to you and to use them to get around Western protectionism. At the same time, China can move up supply chain
 

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the arrival of automated manufacturing seem to spell certain uncertainty to the development of India..
Not necessarily if you look at GDP alone. India can also automate its manufacturing. Of course, the problem then becomes one of social stability. GDP may go up but if unemployment also goes up, then you have a massive problem on your hand.

China's recent rise in youth unemployment is probably an early sign of this. China's industry is massively increasing automation, which reduces the need for labour. If AI does the same to the service sector in the next 10 years then China has a big problem.

But here a gently declining population might actually become a blessing in disguise. India's much younger population will make it much harder for them to manage such an outcome. So that's why I am not so worried about China's demographics as economic growth is increasingly driven by productivity increases borne out of automation. In such an environment, having China's demographic profile might actually be an asset.
 
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