Chinese Economics Thread

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Newly released data from 2022 show that US exports are falling farther and farther behind foreign peers also selling into the Chinese market. Once major US manufacturing exports—like automobiles and Boeing jets—have all but disappeared. Semiconductor sector sales tailed off in 2022 and also may not return, due to new US export control policy. US services exports plunged during the pandemic and have not yet come back.
Even where US exports appear to be doing alright—US farm sales to China in 2022 hit record highs—worrying signs have emerged. Much of the agriculture gains were not the result of increased shipments but simply higher prices and concerns over global food insecurity associated with the Russia-Ukraine war. Furthermore, Chinese buyers are diversifying toward other suppliers, while the US agricultural sector remains highly dependent on the Chinese market for its exports.
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escobar

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For China, boosting consumption has been as elusive as health-care reform in the United States: there has long been a consensus on the need for change but little to show for it. The main difference, however, is that China is still far below U.S. levels of GDP per capita, and relying on consumption is Beijing’s best bet to draw level. Whether it likes it or not, China faces a stark choice. It can either choose a pro-consumption path or risk forfeiting its goal of becoming the world’s largest economy over the next decade.
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vincent

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For China, boosting consumption has been as elusive as health-care reform in the United States: there has long been a consensus on the need for change but little to show for it. The main difference, however, is that China is still far below U.S. levels of GDP per capita, and relying on consumption is Beijing’s best bet to draw level. Whether it likes it or not, China faces a stark choice. It can either choose a pro-consumption path or risk forfeiting its goal of becoming the world’s largest economy over the next decade.
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Advices from a failing Hegemon? Oh please.
 

YVHunter

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For China, boosting consumption has been as elusive as health-care reform in the United States: there has long been a consensus on the need for change but little to show for it. The main difference, however, is that China is still far below U.S. levels of GDP per capita, and relying on consumption is Beijing’s best bet to draw level. Whether it likes it or not, China faces a stark choice. It can either choose a pro-consumption path or risk forfeiting its goal of becoming the world’s largest economy over the next decade.
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one of the authors of this article also had this take so maybe take what they say with a grain of salt

Anyway this article massively oversimplifies the issue and ignores some key facts, it conveniently leaves out the fact China has the world's largest retail market, sells twice as many cars as the US etc, the article also repeats the myth that governmental control and growth can't coexist, a thesis that has been disproven many times over, I can feel the influence of Pettis on the authors of the article, most of the points in it are things that he's been harping about for 15 years and has been consistently wrong about


Moreover, China will overtake the US in nominal GDP (a mostly meaningless statistic but good for bragging rights), China will grow at 4-5.5% per year through the decade, the US will grow at .5-1.5%, and that's not even taking into account the possibility of recession in the US
 

CMP

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one of the authors of this article also had this take so maybe take what they say with a grain of salt

Anyway this article massively oversimplifies the issue and ignores some key facts, it conveniently leaves out the fact China has the world's largest retail market, sells twice as many cars as the US etc, the article also repeats the myth that governmental control and growth can't coexist, a thesis that has been disproven many times over, I can feel the influence of Pettis on the authors of the article, most of the points in it are things that he's been harping about for 15 years and has been consistently wrong about


Moreover, China will overtake the US in nominal GDP (a mostly meaningless statistic but good for bragging rights), China will grow at 4-5.5% per year through the decade, the US will grow at .5-1.5%, and that's not even taking into account the possibility of recession in the US
Houze Song is a Western and pro-West think tanker. Anyone who is going to take his advice might as well commit suicide now, because that's ultimately going to be the end result anyways.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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For China, boosting consumption has been as elusive as health-care reform in the United States: there has long been a consensus on the need for change but little to show for it. The main difference, however, is that China is still far below U.S. levels of GDP per capita, and relying on consumption is Beijing’s best bet to draw level. Whether it likes it or not, China faces a stark choice. It can either choose a pro-consumption path or risk forfeiting its goal of becoming the world’s largest economy over the next decade.
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What is the physical consumption of China? As in, number of units of cars, appliances, smartphones, clothes, etc sold? How many calories are consumed? Because at some point, you can't raise consumption without raising prices or charging for previously free services anymore.

US has very high consumption because everything is expensive. But what is the physical reality on the ground?
 
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