Chinese Economics Thread

AndrewS

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@AndrewS Sir BUT she has enormous influence and even with such small economy her impact is huge, the Ukraine War demonstrated that a Commodity Superpower. From this we can conclude that EU is a paper tiger and Ukraine is having its regrets.

I would say Russia has a moderate level of influence.
And that Russia will decline in the future.

We already see a situation where Russia has burnt its bridges with the West and is semi-dependent on China.

And in 10 years time, China and Europe will be much further along in using electricity to replace gas and oil

Just look at the chart below
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

If India is smart, we can see that India will likely be one of the poles in a multipolar world.
Russia doesn't stand out much from the crowd, and we can see that Indonesia will likely become a significant actor as well.
 

ansy1968

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I would say Russia has a moderate level of influence.
And that Russia will decline in the future.

We already see a situation where Russia has burnt its bridges with the West and is semi-dependent on China.
Sir so is China and they term it as a partnership, to have China, Iran, India most of Africa, ASEAN and Southern America at her side is no small feat.
And in 10 years time, China and Europe will be much further along in using electricity to replace gas and oil
Here sir I disagree, Europe should be the 3rd bloc instead they trade that away to be a US lackey, you don't antagonized your neighbor especially IF she supply you your basic needs. Whatever trash you throw onto them you will feel the effect immediately.
If India is smart, we can see that India will likely be one of the poles in a multipolar world.
Hubris blinded their ambition, it's sad cause culturally it can be done and you may include Burma as part of that India centric world.
Russia doesn't stand out much from the crowd, and we can see that Indonesia will likely become a significant actor as well.
Sir again I respectfully disagree, Russia can produce and manufacture anything while both India and Indonesia can't, they even import arms and machinery from Russia. It's a nuclear power, had a large scientific and industrial base and a commodity exporter. My premise from this debate is Who needed Who, from this we can surmise who hold the most influence.
 
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ansy1968

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It is like a rich man driving his precious Porsche in the countryside who run out of fuel, he approached a farmer for his horse in exchange for his Porsche, the farmer refuse cause for him that car is useless. We can see that today that the miniscule Russia can destroy a country economy without even trying now that is Power and Influences. And an ironic twist , how many leaders called Putin and How many to Brandon. Even MBS and the gulf state are avoiding Brandon call...lol
 

Minm

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I would say Russia has a moderate level of influence.
And that Russia will decline in the future.

We already see a situation where Russia has burnt its bridges with the West and is semi-dependent on China.

And in 10 years time, China and Europe will be much further along in using electricity to replace gas and oil

Just look at the chart below
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)

If India is smart, we can see that India will likely be one of the poles in a multipolar world.
Russia doesn't stand out much from the crowd, and we can see that Indonesia will likely become a significant actor as well.
The EU is far away from any other (potential) superpower and the undisputed regional economic hegemon in its part of the world. However, Indonesia and India are too close to China. Their economic rise will further fuel Chinese growth and they can't become independent poles in a region whose economy is already centred on China.

India also has the problem of its very unique religion, which isn't helpful in a region dominated by religious conflict. Traditionally, India has influenced south east Asia, which is now much closer to China, and the middle East, from which it is cut off by Pakistan. A reunified India plus Bangladesh and Pakistan would be a potential superpower, but that's not going to happen while they try to make India a Hindu nation
 

Michaelsinodef

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Right now, as Prof Jin said, the only countries in the world that truly have national Sovereignty are US China and Russia. India is bit iffy. The rest are either heavily influenced, client states, downright puppets or too small to matter. The next few decades will be interesting.
Eh it would be more accurate to say that countries have different 'levels' of sovereignty, with US, China and Russia being at the highest on the ladder, with other countries below at various stages/'levels'.

With that said, there definitely are client and puppet states, as well as ones that are heavily influenced/too small to matter.
 

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Mechanized wheat harvesting in full swing across China, aims to stabilize prices

By Global Times Published: May 29, 2022 07:31 PM

An agricultural machinery operator drives a harvester at a farm in Bozhou, East China's Anhui Province on May 27, 2022. As Grain in Ear, a traditional Chinese calendar day signaling a proper time for farming, approaches, local farmers have ratcheted up efforts to either plant or harvest summer grain. Photo: VCG

An agricultural machinery operator drives a harvester at a farm in Bozhou, East China's Anhui Province on May 27, 2022. As Grain in Ear, a traditional Chinese calendar day signaling a proper time for farming, approaches, local farmers have ratcheted up efforts to either plant or harvest summer grain. Photo: VCG

Area harvested for winter wheat had hit 37.98 million mu (2.53 million hectares) across China as of Saturday, with daily mechanically harvested wheat crops totaling 6.78 million mu, signaling a nationwide rollout of summer wheat harvesting, the Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs said on Sunday.

The announcement came on the heels of an official call for efforts to ensure the summer harvest as China aims to coordinate development and security amid the COVID-19 epidemic and an complex global situation.

Wheat harvesting was reaching its end in Southwest China's Sichuan Province and was over 80 percent complete in Central China's Hubei Province. The provinces of Henan and Anhui were some 10 percent done with the harvest, while the harvest season had begun in Jiangsu, Shaanxi and Shanxi, among other provinces, the ministry said in a statement on its website.

Agriculture and rural affairs authorities at all levels have moved to coordinate virus prevention and control with summer production and acted in advance to help match supply and demand in mechanized wheat harvesting, initiate emergency harvests and reduce mechanical damage during the harvest, among other preparedness efforts.

Rural authorities are working with healthcare, transport, energy and other bodies to set up special task forces to jointly tackle sticking points that might affect wheat harvesting, thereby smoothing the flows of people and machines, read the statement.

In so doing, wheat crops across the country would be guaranteed access to mechanized harvesting, refueling, component replacement and readily available harvesters, the ministry said, stressing that it was important "not to miss out on the farming season or leave a single grain unharvested."

The dose of assurance followed remarks by Premier Li Keqiang at a national teleconference on Thursday when he underlined the need for solid efforts to ensure the summer harvest.

The summer harvest is of significance to achieving the country's annual grain production target, stabilizing prices and coordinating virus response with economic and social development, Li said, according to the Xinhua News Agency. The premier urged smooth agricultural equipment and personnel logistics.

Vice Premier Hu Chunhua also addressed the conference, emphasizing efforts to straighten out channels for grain procurement and solve problems in this regard.

More than 2,600 green passages for farming machine transfers have been opened, with upwards of 2,500 reception service stations for mechanical harvesting and concentration stops for farming machines up and running, according to the agriculture ministry.

The ministry has pushed eight major wheat-producing provinces, including Henan, to sign a collaborative agreement on emergency mechanical harvesting and over 5,400 emergency harvesting teams have been established nationwide, as an effective response to wheat harvesting challenges amid virus containment efforts and weather disasters.

More than 900 hotlines on ensuring mechanized wheat harvesting have been made publicly available by local governments at provincial, city and county levels. The hotlines would operate 24 hours a day during the harvest season, the ministry said, disclosing plans to send nine work teams specially devised for oversight of mechanical wheat harvesting to keep a close watch on harvesters' itineraries in provinces such as Henan, Anhui and Jiangsu.
 

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China's inland rides waves of innovation, new opportunities​


By MA SI | CHINA DAILY | Updated: 2022-05-27 09:32

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A visitor experiences Huawei VR Glass set during an expo for virtual reality and augmented reality devices in Nanchang, Jiangxi province. [Photo provided to China Daily]

Coastal regions not the only stars when it comes to R&D, development

An interesting shift is going on in China that many have failed to notice.

The nation has long been known as an information technology manufacturing powerhouse, with coastal areas such as the Yangtze River Delta region and the Pearl River Delta region often seen as shining stars in global innovation and tech manufacturing road mapping.

But as China pursues new opportunities in artificial intelligence, robotics, metaverse and smart manufacturing, the nation's inland regions, which used to be spectators of pioneering reforms in Eastern China, are now also emerging as key incubators for innovation vital to growth over the next decade, experts said.

Hefei, capital of Anhui province, for instance, is now a magnet for research and development staff and companies that are dedicated to exploring technologies such as AI. In 2021, the city was home to more than 840 AI-related companies, up 23.2 percent year-on-year, data from the local government shows.

Meanwhile, more than 860 new companies have been registered in Shenyang, capital of Liaoning province in northeastern China, in the past two years to do robotics research, up from a combined 170 in the four years before that, according to data from Qichacha, a data bank that tracks business registration information in China.

Nanchang, capital of Jiangxi province in East China, is also catching up. The city said this year it will build a pilot zone for metaverse, one of the hottest tech buzzwords, which will feature a combination of virtual reality software and hardware companies.

The plan came after Jiangxi has worked hard to cultivate its VR industry in recent years. The province has already attracted more than 400 companies, including international heavyweights such as Qualcomm Inc and Microsoft Corp, as well as Chinese internet behemoths Alibaba, Tencent and Huawei to set up local VR businesses.

"A friendly competition of sorts is unfolding among major Chinese inland cities as they are scrambling to sharpen their edges, striving for growth opportunities in the era of innovation-driven development," said Cheng Nan, director of the planning institute at the China Center for Information Industry Development, a Beijing-based think tank.

As the central government calls for more efforts to cultivate indigenous breakthroughs in fundamental technologies, more cities in inland regions are looking to build up their advantages in a certain niche by fully maximizing their resources, Cheng said, adding that Hefei and Shenyang are tapping into the academic resources of local research institutes and leading local companies to nurture quantum communications and robotics companies.

Southwestern China is also showing strong momentum. Now one out of every three laptop computers sold worldwide, and one out of every 10 smartphones sold globally come from Chongqing, the southwestern Chinese municipality. At the same time, 70 percent of the world's iPads and nearly 20 percent of global laptop computers are produced in Chengdu, capital of Sichuan province.

The size of the electronic information sector in Chengdu and Chongqing now accounts for about one-third of that of the global electronic information industry, according to a report in Chengdu Daily, which is affiliated with the local government.

Statistics show that, contrary to some perceptions that many manufacturing plants have been relocated out of China due to rising labor costs, the reality is that many industries are just moving from eastern to western China. The latter now has advantages in both industrial infrastructure and production costs, company executives and experts said.

Dai Bin, director of the Research Center for Regional Economics and Urban Management at Southwest Jiaotong University, said western China has a relatively good industrial foundation and also boasts universities focusing on electronics research.

These factors have helped the region efficiently attract consumer electronics plants that have been moved out of East China.

"Also, the electronic information industry features a global market that mainly relies on air transport. As a result, building factories in western China does not have a location disadvantage compared with that of the east," Dai said.

Based on strong manufacturing advantages, companies in Sichuan are also exploring new technologies such as the internet of things. Sichuan had more than 1,500 IoT companies in 2021.

Meanwhile, talent, capital and other resources are also starting to flood into the inland regions. Chengdu and Chongqing are now two of the only four cities (the other two are Beijing and Shanghai) in China with populations of more than 20 million. But as Shanghai and Beijing show a clear trend of slowing down in population growth, Chengdu still remains a strong attraction for talent.

The Chengdu Bureau of Statistics said by the end of 2021, the number of permanent residents in Chengdu was 21.192 million, an increase of 245,000 from the end of 2020.

Wei Jianqiang, vice-president of Lenovo, said, "Southwest China is a new standout on the map of China's smart technology industry." The region has a wealth of R&D talent, a favorable policy environment and a sound industrial foundation.
 

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China's inland rides waves of innovation, new opportunities​


By MA SI | CHINA DAILY | Updated: 2022-05-27 09:32

62902b8da310fd2bec8bb1f1.jpeg
A visitor experiences Huawei VR Glass set during an expo for virtual reality and augmented reality devices in Nanchang, Jiangxi province. [Photo provided to China Daily]

Coastal regions not the only stars when it comes to R&D, development

An interesting shift is going on in China that many have failed to notice.

The nation has long been known as an information technology manufacturing powerhouse, with coastal areas such as the Yangtze River Delta region and the Pearl River Delta region often seen as shining stars in global innovation and tech manufacturing road mapping.

But as China pursues new opportunities in artificial intelligence, robotics, metaverse and smart manufacturing, the nation's inland regions, which used to be spectators of pioneering reforms in Eastern China, are now also emerging as key incubators for innovation vital to growth over the next decade, experts said.

Hefei, capital of Anhui province, for instance, is now a magnet for research and development staff and companies that are dedicated to exploring technologies such as AI. In 2021, the city was home to more than 840 AI-related companies, up 23.2 percent year-on-year, data from the local government shows.

Meanwhile, more than 860 new companies have been registered in Shenyang, capital of Liaoning province in northeastern China, in the past two years to do robotics research, up from a combined 170 in the four years before that, according to data from Qichacha, a data bank that tracks business registration information in China.

Nanchang, capital of Jiangxi province in East China, is also catching up. The city said this year it will build a pilot zone for metaverse, one of the hottest tech buzzwords, which will feature a combination of virtual reality software and hardware companies.

The plan came after Jiangxi has worked hard to cultivate its VR industry in recent years. The province has already attracted more than 400 companies, including international heavyweights such as Qualcomm Inc and Microsoft Corp, as well as Chinese internet behemoths Alibaba, Tencent and Huawei to set up local VR businesses.

"A friendly competition of sorts is unfolding among major Chinese inland cities as they are scrambling to sharpen their edges, striving for growth opportunities in the era of innovation-driven development," said Cheng Nan, director of the planning institute at the China Center for Information Industry Development, a Beijing-based think tank.

As the central government calls for more efforts to cultivate indigenous breakthroughs in fundamental technologies, more cities in inland regions are looking to build up their advantages in a certain niche by fully maximizing their resources, Cheng said, adding that Hefei and Shenyang are tapping into the academic resources of local research institutes and leading local companies to nurture quantum communications and robotics companies.

Southwestern China is also showing strong momentum. Now one out of every three laptop computers sold worldwide, and one out of every 10 smartphones sold globally come from Chongqing, the southwestern Chinese municipality. At the same time, 70 percent of the world's iPads and nearly 20 percent of global laptop computers are produced in Chengdu, capital of Sichuan province.

The size of the electronic information sector in Chengdu and Chongqing now accounts for about one-third of that of the global electronic information industry, according to a report in Chengdu Daily, which is affiliated with the local government.

Statistics show that, contrary to some perceptions that many manufacturing plants have been relocated out of China due to rising labor costs, the reality is that many industries are just moving from eastern to western China. The latter now has advantages in both industrial infrastructure and production costs, company executives and experts said.


Dai Bin, director of the Research Center for Regional Economics and Urban Management at Southwest Jiaotong University, said western China has a relatively good industrial foundation and also boasts universities focusing on electronics research.

These factors have helped the region efficiently attract consumer electronics plants that have been moved out of East China.

"Also, the electronic information industry features a global market that mainly relies on air transport. As a result, building factories in western China does not have a location disadvantage compared with that of the east," Dai said.

Based on strong manufacturing advantages, companies in Sichuan are also exploring new technologies such as the internet of things. Sichuan had more than 1,500 IoT companies in 2021.

Meanwhile, talent, capital and other resources are also starting to flood into the inland regions. Chengdu and Chongqing are now two of the only four cities (the other two are Beijing and Shanghai) in China with populations of more than 20 million. But as Shanghai and Beijing show a clear trend of slowing down in population growth, Chengdu still remains a strong attraction for talent.

The Chengdu Bureau of Statistics said by the end of 2021, the number of permanent residents in Chengdu was 21.192 million, an increase of 245,000 from the end of 2020.

Wei Jianqiang, vice-president of Lenovo, said, "Southwest China is a new standout on the map of China's smart technology industry." The region has a wealth of R&D talent, a favorable policy environment and a sound industrial foundation.
@Strangelove bro people who love spicy food are thought to be more ambitious and from historical context we can say that Deng Xiaoping and Mao are the supreme example or they're the exception, I love spicy food BUT it point me to different direction with more heartbreaks than I can ask for...lol
 
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