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KYli

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Many foreign brands have been losing their market share due to their boycott of Xinjiang cotton as many Chinese are boycotting these companies as a retaliation. Hopefully, these companies can take this opportunity to move up the value chain and quality.
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Dynamic Zero policy doesn't have much negative impact on the overall national economy due to the fact the shutdown usually is regional and limited.
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horse

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all three are out. very informative.

They discussed integration, on the technology level, which had a commercial component to that integration on that commercial level, then who built all of that gear to make the connectivity and integration.

That was the focus of the video.

1) Huawei is everywhere in ASEAN. Full stop. Huawei gear permitted the digitization of the economy, and the digital silk road.

What surprised me, was how deeply Huawei penetrated into ASEAN, linking up with educational institutions to teach students how to use Huawei tech and Huawei software.

If they will not use Huawei in ASEAN, then what the hell are they gonna use? Such they can buy from Ericsson and Nokia, and pay more for less capability, and since they would be paying more, the slower the roll out. They are polite in ASEAN. They will just make the excuse to expensive to change from Huawei, and leave it at that. The door still slams on the US government faces.


2) With the digital gear in place, the pandemic accelerated the integration of the psychical economy with the digital economy.

The example was perfect, the smelly lui-lien shipped fresh from Thailand to China! OMG!

That warehouse with the automation was interesting. JD.com was suppose to be a big player in the logistics of how to move stuff. From the video, they are a big player in logistics.

That interview with the Chinese buyer, the computer guy with the glasses, looks at the computer, find out the numbers, look at the orders coming down the pipe, go speak to the suppliers, and the shipping is taken care of, as everyone does their job. It is a big operation, but runs that smoothly, where if we order the smelly lui-lien by 11:00 AM, then it is desert by Chinese dinner time.

Also, how this sale of goods happen now, what is the medium that alerts people, (not newspaper ads), that gets the goods from the farm or factory, to the living room or dinner table.

Big promotions like 11.11 are crucial. Also social media is integrated into this whole eco-system. That is why people bust a move on Tik-Tok. Become an influencer, and move product, like that guy in women's clothing.


3) Where and who built all this stuff, or infrastructure, to make all the above possible. Made in China. That is one point that they should have said a little more of. The RCEP, it has anything this world can provide. The sea cable connecting the digital silk road, a factory in eastern China.


4) The American government say they want to work with their allies, and lay down the rules of the road, to the new digital economy. What the hell are they even talking about. Watch that video. What exactly is the US role there? What rules will the US propose. Just shut the hell up.

5) India! Why? Why did India bolt from RCEP? Then they banned TikTok, and go fight with China. Watch that video. If a country does not want a piece of that action in RCEP, they got a hole in their head.

6) Do what Japan does. Say anything against China, then later, forget what you actually said.

That is the problem with China and ASEAN. Too many outside mo-fos, whose intentions are mo-fo-like.

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ansy1968

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They discussed integration, on the technology level, which had a commercial component to that integration on that commercial level, then who built all of that gear to make the connectivity and integration.

That was the focus of the video.

1) Huawei is everywhere in ASEAN. Full stop. Huawei gear permitted the digitization of the economy, and the digital silk road.

What surprised me, was how deeply Huawei penetrated into ASEAN, linking up with educational institutions to teach students how to use Huawei tech and Huawei software.

If they will not use Huawei in ASEAN, then what the hell are they gonna use? Such they can buy from Ericsson and Nokia, and pay more for less capability, and since they would be paying more, the slower the roll out. They are polite in ASEAN. They will just make the excuse to expensive to change from Huawei, and leave it at that. The door still slams on the US government faces.


2) With the digital gear in place, the pandemic accelerated the integration of the psychical economy with the digital economy.

The example was perfect, the smelly lui-lien shipped fresh from Thailand to China! OMG!

That warehouse with the automation was interesting. JD.com was suppose to be a big player in the logistics of how to move stuff. From the video, they are a big player in logistics.

That interview with the Chinese buyer, the computer guy with the glasses, looks at the computer, find out the numbers, look at the orders coming down the pipe, go speak to the suppliers, and the shipping is taken care of, as everyone does their job. It is a big operation, but runs that smoothly, where if we order the smelly lui-lien by 11:00 AM, then it is desert by Chinese dinner time.

Also, how this sale of goods happen now, what is the medium that alerts people, (not newspaper ads), that gets the goods from the farm or factory, to the living room or dinner table.

Big promotions like 11.11 are crucial. Also social media is integrated into this whole eco-system. That is why people bust a move on Tik-Tok. Become an influencer, and move product, like that guy in women's clothing.


3) Where and who built all this stuff, or infrastructure, to make all the above possible. Made in China. That is one point that they should have said a little more of. The RCEP, it has anything this world can provide. The sea cable connecting the digital silk road, a factory in eastern China.


4) The American government say they want to work with their allies, and lay down the rules of the road, to the new digital economy. What the hell are they even talking about. Watch that video. What exactly is the US role there? What rules will the US propose. Just shut the hell up.

5) India! Why? Why did India bolt from RCEP? Then they banned TikTok, and go fight with China. Watch that video. If a country does not want a piece of that action in RCEP, they got a hole in their head.

6) Do what Japan does. Say anything against China, then later, forget what you actually said.

That is the problem with China and ASEAN. Too many outside mo-fos, whose intentions are mo-fo-like.

:D
@horse and here bro is were Hua Qiao or Overseas Chinese will play its part, we are the Software to China Hardware. The Chinese whenever there is money to be made whatever obstruction they face, they will overcome it just to earned a buck. It's in our gene bro Even with US written rules like the WTO , the Chinese signed, they participate and they conquer....lol
 

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China 3 USA 0 – Beijing inflicts a severe economic defeat on America​

New figures show that on trade, economic growth and inflation, China’s comprehensively come out on top and US sanctions have failed miserably

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The news that US inflation has reached its highest level for 40 years, at 7.5% in January, is the most explicit indicator of serious problems in its economy. The monetary tightening that will be used to attempt to bring this under control will both slow the US economy and inevitably spill over into major effects on the world economy.

This very high inflation is particularly significant when compared to 1.5% inflation in China, its main economic competitor, in the same month. US inflation is five times higher than China’s. These relative inflation levels have extremely restrictive effects on American economic policy – it will be forced to implement measures to slow its economy. In contrast, China, whose economy is already growing faster than the US, has room for a further economic stimulus without damaging inflationary pressures.

But this is only one of the symptoms that the US has suffered in a severe economic defeat in its competition with China. This, in turn, has major political consequences both in the US and internationally

Analyzing first the domestic US political situation, unsurprisingly this high inflation has led to falling living standards for the overwhelming majority of the population, and has drastically undermined support for Biden’s administration. The latest average
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show 54% of Americans disapprove of the Biden government, compared to only 40% approving.
The economic situation is the main driving force behind Biden’s fall in support. Polls show 68% of Americans consider the
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the most important problem confronting them, almost twice as many as those who cited Covid (37%).

Behind these political problems is the reality that the US has suffered a serious defeat in the economic war it launched against China. In 2018, America began its trade offensive by unilaterally imposing tariffs against Chinese imports. The aim of this was to reduce the US balance of trade deficit and to rebuild its manufacturing industry. But data makes it clear that the US has not achieved either.
In 2017, the last year before the US launched its trade war, its balance of goods trade deficit was $792 billion; by 2021, this had risen to $1.078 billion.

More narrowly regarding China, the US, despite its tariffs, succeeded in only slightly reducing its bilateral goods trade deficit – from $375 billion in 2017 to $355 billion in 2021. Simultaneously, the US deficit in goods trade with the rest of the world ballooned from $417 billion to $723 billion. In short, the US attempt to cut its trade deficit was a complete failure.

Neither did the US succeed in damaging China’s overall trade. Beijing’s trade surplus rose from $420 billion in 2017 to $676 billion in 2021. Last year, China’s exports and imports rose by 30%.

This comprehensive US defeat in the trade war was accompanied by equally great failure in its overall economic performance compared to China. Between 2017 and 2021, the US economy grew by 7.3%, while China’s grew by 25.1% – three times as much as the US. Since the beginning of the Covid pandemic, America’s economic performance relative to China deteriorated further. Naturally both economies slowed due to the pandemic, but since 2019 China’s economy has grown by 10.5% and the US by 2.1% – China has grown five times as much as the US.

There is no mystery regarding the reasons for this US failure. Paradoxically, the world’s supposed “number one capitalist economy” is now actually creating very little capital. Instead, the US has become an economy overwhelmingly dominated by consumption – short-term gratification instead of long-term investment in development. By 2020, the latest available data shows that US net capital creation, after taking depreciation into account, was only 1% of US Gross National Income. This is less than 10% of its level at the height of the US post-war boom in the 1960s. Such a level of investment means that the US is scarcely expanding its capital stock – consequently its economic growth is very slow.

There are rational and well-known technical ways to tackle these problems. But they would require sharp changes in Washington’s foreign and domestic policy.

The huge level of US military expenditure, $905 billion in 2021, higher than the next seven countries combined, could be sharply cut, releasing major resources for investment – but that would require an abandonment of aggressive US foreign policy.
Abandoning trade tariffs against China, which costs every US household hundreds of dollars a year, would reduce inflation – but would require abandoning the aggressive trade war against China.

The grotesquely inefficient US
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, using 19.7% of GDP but creating one of the lowest levels of life expectancy in any advanced economy, could be rationalized, releasing huge resources for investment – but that would require confronting and defeating entrenched special interest groups in the US.

As long as the US is not prepared to undertake such major changes, it will suffer slow growth. Meanwhile, China’s economy will continue to grow much more rapidly. The economic defeat of the US by China in the trade war, and the way it has dealt with the economic consequences of the Covid pandemic, are just the latest expressions of this.

Regrettably, this economic win by China is unlikely to reduce US hostility. Like a cornered tiger, America may become even more aggressive – as shown in its recent policies on Ukraine and Taiwan. There is no point in trying to reason with a tiger and showing any weakness will simply increase its attacks. The only successful policy is to use strength to deter and impose defeats on it. That’s what China has achieved in its ongoing economic victory over the US.
 

horse

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@horse and here bro is were Hua Qiao or Overseas Chinese will play its part, we are the Software to China Hardware. The Chinese whenever there is money to be made whatever obstruction they face, they will overcome it just to earned a buck. It's in our gene bro Even with US written rules like the WTO , the Chinese signed, they participate and they conquer....lol

Yeah brother, there was a lot of things going on in that video, that was only part one of three.

1) Everyone is Chinese. Not everyone is Chinese, but feels that way. The video was about BRI in ASEAN, and everyone seemed Chinese.

2) The idea of tech, of how it transforms economic processes thereby raising incomes, was touched upon in the video. That was good. However, the full story was not told, as that would be too long. The best example again was that smelly lui-lien fruit. Thailand has made billions of dollars from that. All they had to do, was hitch their farm into the Chinese built digital economy.

That is the key point, the tech allows for more productivity meaning more production, meaning higher incomes.

That is such a critical point for ASEAN. They need the tech, to raise incomes for the masses, for the people. Huawei gear is central to that.

The Americans are not happy about his, but so what. The Americans are not driving these efforts to raise incomes in ASEAN.


3) The story of the BRI, really is the story inside those countries. But the story we are being told by Western media, is total bs.

There seems to be two things the Americans are insisting on or trying to do. One, is they assume the leadership position for the region. Two, is they try to sabotage what they deem is unholy like Saddam Hussein or China.

The problem is that video. Watch that video, and we know that the Americans trying to assume the leadership position in ASEAN and trying to sabotage China, ASEAN, and regional integration, that is the total joke. What freaking clowns. Watch the video. Where are the Americans? No where to be found. Yet they think they are the leader and they can sabotage the whole arrangement. Kind of stupid. That video is reality, and the Americans are disconnected from it in ASEAN.

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4) There was a brief mention I think I remember about data centers being built across ASEAN, essentially more servers clusters are being deployed in massive numbers across RCEP.

Who are building these data centers? Probably the same Chinese company that was teaching young people in the region how to use Huawei gear!

The digital silk road, there has to be databases, run off servers.

Who will own this data center, and who will own the data in the databases?

I get this funny feeling that the Americans thought it was them who had control of that. That is not the case.

Seems to me the Americans are trying to protect their own digital economy, by insisting if a country does business with America on a digital platform, then that platform must be American.

On that point, China does not care. That data of the lui-lein being shipped, that is already operational in production. The Americans have no business with that data. The Americans may sound they are on the offensive, the truth is they are late to this game in RCEP.


Essentially, this is how this war, a trade war between the United States and China is being fought globally.

It is about market access, about moving goods across borders, about the backend infrastructure underpinning it all making it possible.

[rant][/rant]

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horse

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It is about market access, about moving goods across borders, about the backend infrastructure underpinning it all making it possible.

All of this in the above quote, is the Chinese driving it in ASEAN, with the Chinese middle class, the logistics with encompassing the AI from JD.com, and the digital infrastructure is all Chinese.

There are competitors to the digital infrastructure the Chinese are offering for sale, and a place like Singapore uses a lot of non-Chinese digital infrastructure from what I understand.

The problem for the competitor is the Chinese systems are so ubiquitous and digital economy is kind of advanced, that their foreign gear must integrate into this Chinese made digital eco-system. Then add on top of that the American bans, and they can kiss that market good bye.

Even though Singapore uses a lot of non-Chinese gear in their digital infrastructure, in the video, the first segment was all about how Singapore was integrating into the digital silk road being built by China in the region.

I do not think the Americans realize what they are up against.

It has been a few years since the trade war and tech war started. Watch that video.

What trade war? Is there a tech war?

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