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gelgoog

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EU problem is that all that investments in past 30 years in Eastern EU. didnot create self sustaining entities that can help Western EU.
Eastern EU despite very high education standards could not replicate Asian tiger economies.
Now Western EU is aging population, buried in Debt, non-existant military power and all of sudden it has to compete for natural resources in open market. on top of that Europe want to create semiconductor supply chain and Europe digital sovereignty. (aka software development).
Europe does not have 4 million Indians that can write trillions of line of code in single language. They are truly living in lala land of shortages and stagflation. I even think China will become only option for Europeans to drive around in Cars. what will VW and BMW do without China?.

Europe simply cannot compete with US anti-competitive actions. The little tech industry Europe has had is systematically dismantled by US corporations which have more capital. Large European investors typically balk at investing in the tech industry and prefer to invest in things like real estate which are a lot safer. When small startups do show up, they almost inevitably either get gobbled up by foreign US capital or foreign capital investments into alternatives which render them useless. There are loads of examples of this. MySQL being bought by Oracle, Skype being bought by Microsoft, Nokia being infiltrated and destroyed by Microsoft, etc.

You can even see this in strategic sectors like nuclear power where US used lawfare to make Alstom sell out to GE and added a poison pill to Westinghouse which caused Toshiba to go bankrupt. The European tech sector lacks the capital to resist and EU governments are too weak to defend the sector to begin with. The whole NordStream II case and the Iran sanctions are good examples of EU government weakness.

Also, a lot of the companies you see which have success in the US stock market, like social apps, have issues scaling in Europe because of the language barrier. You need to make a multi-lingual website to begin with and that increases startup costs. This means you get a lot of small companies which seldom or never can scale to global ambitions. Which is why Europe has had more success in the tools and backend applications where the language problem is minimized. It is not like Europe has no competitors to Amazon and the like, it is just that they are small and localized to each market.
 
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Jianlong Group, one of China's biggest private-sector steelmakers, said it had achieved a "major breakthrough" by using hydrogen as a fuel source to make cast iron in the Inner Mongolia region.

Hydrogen has been touted as a low-carbon fuel solution for the iron and steel sector in top producer China, replacing the more polluting coal. China has pledged to bring its overall C02 emissions to a peak by 2030.

In the longer run, China's imports of coal from Australia (used for the refining of iron ore) will drop to zero.
 

BoraTas

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Energy technology and transportation are relatively mature fields near thermodynamic limits. That means that fully understanding proven, known science is the key, rather than desperate gambles.
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, hydro, coal gasification/liquefaction, etc. are the way to go. These are still very high tech, but based on known (or at least knowable unknown) science and engineering.

Staying sane and away from value destroying fakes is key. A bad fake path can waste decades and huge % of GDP. We can see this somewhere...
One of my friends from high-school ended up in Siemens Energy Steam Turbines Division. The level of bean counting in that industry is ridiculous. Billions of euros and the efforts of thousands of engineers are being used to increase turbine efficiency by 1-2% so that electricity distributors can earn a bit more. The innovation is always for lowering the operational costs of electricity providers by a few percent. He said me that sometimes he thinks the same resources could be used for much more impactful things.
 

pmc

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Europe simply cannot compete with US anti-competitive actions.
I dont think US actions have that big impact on Europe. Its Europe own virtue signaling that is responsible.
ECB balance sheet is bigger than US Fed. EU tax system much more robust than US. debt markets are much bigger than stock market and debt is used for capital spending. why do you think there is lack of capital?
It is just Europe spend money on projects to promote values rather than grow business. what is that EU? its community of values.
Europe has this entitlement thinking that foreign troops on its soil will not only protect them and but also US forces will be used to benefit Europe in out area operations. look at this statement. i will allow as if they are not allowed.
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“I’ll allow the EU to prescribe or outline the capabilities that they think they need,” Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said at a news conference at NATO headquarters.

infact Europe is now so desperate that Turkey that always vote in UN with Europe on (Syria/Ukraine/Xinjiang/Libya) is put in FATF grey list with control demolition of economy. Europe thinks that by punishing Turkey. Arabs will send cheap energy there way.
Since Europe has become poor the past claims will become due. Germany thinks that past 200 years of European Science is its own and it can sell it without paying to original owners. no one has raised Germany alliances with Japan.
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Jiang ZeminFanboy

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I dont think US actions have that big impact on Europe. Its Europe own virtue signaling that is responsible.
ECB balance sheet is bigger than US Fed. EU tax system much more robust than US. debt markets are much bigger than stock market and debt is used for capital spending. why do you think there is lack of capital?
It is just Europe spend money on projects to promote values rather than grow business. what is that EU? its community of values.
Europe has this entitlement thinking that foreign troops on its soil will not only protect them and but also US forces will be used to benefit Europe in out area operations. look at this statement. i will allow as if they are not allowed.


infact Europe is now so desperate that Turkey that always vote in UN with Europe on (Syria/Ukraine/Xinjiang/Libya) is put in FATF grey list with control demolition of economy. Europe thinks that by punishing Turkey. Arabs will send cheap energy there way.
Since Europe has become poor the past claims will become due. Germany thinks that past 200 years of European Science is its own and it can sell it without paying to original owners. no one has raised Germany alliances with Japan.
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What Europe became poor? I see most of Europe there, so stop bullshitting. I remember looking at some graphs from for last I think 15 years, and Germany nominal growth was higher than the USA.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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Huawei achieved sales revenue of RMB 455.8 billion ($71.3 billion) and a net profit margin of 10.2 percent in the first three quarters, according to the company's financial report released today.


There Quote from last year, the same period.
[Shenzhen, China, October 23, 2020] Huawei today announced its business results for the first three quarters of 2020. During this period, Huawei generated CNY671.3 billion in revenue, an increase of 9.9% over the same period last year. The company's net profit margin in this period was 8.0%.[1]
Buy more Huawei!
 

Overbom

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There Quote from last year, the same period.

Buy more Huawei!
Huawei is single-handedly embarrassing the US and the whole western world. They went into such a great lengths to destroy it, and Huawei today is just steamrolling through their opposition

The US can "cheat and lie" all it wants but Huawei still stands and is even expanding
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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Huawei is single-handedly embarrassing the US and the whole western world. They went into such a great lengths to destroy it, and Huawei today is just steamrolling through their opposition

The US can "cheat and lie" all it wants but Huawei still stands and is even expanding
But the revenue is 200B less than one year ago after 3q, hope next year it will stabilize.
 
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