Chinese Economics Thread

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Is it really that difficult in the refining of rare earth metals and making of magnets?


Intro from Wiki

A neodymium magnet (also known as NdFeB, NIB, or Neo magnet), the most widely-used type of rare-earth magnet, is a permanent magnet made from an alloy of neodymium, iron, and boron to form the Nd2Fe14B tetragonal crystalline structure. Developed in 1982 by General Motors and Sumitomo Special Metals, neodymium magnets are the strongest type of permanent magnet made. They have replaced other types of magnet in the many applications in modern products that require strong permanent magnets, such as motors in cordless tools, hard disk drives, and magnetic fasteners.......The greater force exerted by rare earth magnets creates hazards that are not seen with other types of magnet. Neodymium magnets larger than a few centimeters are strong enough to cause injuries to body parts pinched between two magnets,


However the more interesting side is the company Manequench and how China came to acquire it

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"Magnequench is an Indianapolis-based company. It specializes in the obscure field of sintered magnetics. Essentially, it makes tiny, high-tech magnets from rare-earth minerals ground down into a fine powder. The magnets are highly prized by electronics and aviation companies. But Magnequench's biggest client has been the Pentagon.

The neodymium-iron-boron magnets made by Magnequench are a crucial component in the guidance system of cruise missiles and the Joint Direct Attack Munition or JDAM bomb, which is made by Boeing and had a starring role in the spring bombing of Baghdad. Indeed, Magnequench enjoys a near monopoly on this market niche, supplying 85 percent of the rare-earth magnets that are used in the servo motors of these guided missiles and bombs.

But the Pentagon may soon be sending its orders for these parts to China, instead of Indiana. On September 15, 2004 Magnequench shuttered its last plant in Indiana, fired its 450 workers and began shipping its machine tools to a new plant in China. "We're handing over to the Chinese both our defense technology and our jobs in the midst of a deep recession," says Rep. Peter Visclosky, a Democrat from northern Indiana.

It gets stranger. Magnequench is not only moving its defense plants to China, it's actually owned by Chinese companies with close ties to the Chinese government. ......"


Another Longish but fairly easy read is this article with a more indepth study with links supplied, of the decline of REE's extraction in the USA


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it concludes with.........



"..........America also lacks skilled rare-earth experts. In the 1980s, the U.S. magnet industry employed 6,000 workers, according to Richardson's association. Today's figure: 400.

An even greater gap exists at the scientific level's top echelon. The United States has about 60 scientists and engineers with specialized knowledge of magnet production, to China's 6,000, Green says.

"U.S. leadership in (rare-earth element) technology is eroding," according to a Carnegie Mellon University report. It found that the end of U.S.-based manufacturing "led to the removal of over 90 percent of domestic R&D activities on rare-earth permanent magnet materials."

Conclusion: The "knowledge for producing (neo-magnets) within the U.S. has been lost..........."
 

delft

Brigadier
You have the literature on Rare Earths in you libraries. Even if you have no-one left with experience in these industries it would cost less than ten years to get running again.
And don't wait until all parts have been rebuild. Start mining and send the ores to China until you can process them yourself.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
IMO what the Text books don't show are the finer points which come from experience.

Have you ever looked at a cook book and had a attempt at cooking or baking something that appeals.Most of the time it never turns out like what you see in the cook book.

I guess in time they could relearn the processes meanwhile the other crowd have moved further ahead.
Given the uncertainty of success apart from making a profit, I guess attracting investors would be quite tricky.
 

xywdx

Junior Member
Hey guys here's an interesting debate on China it covers a lot of things but a good chunk of it is about the economy.

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Finally got to watch it, the dragon dancing was terrible, but good program overall, though I do feel David Li is a subpar debater and public speaker, I think I did better in my debate clubs.
Like Dr. K said, it's like a 3v1, makes me question how well Harvard actually teaches.
Neil on the otoh was the best debater, he switched his tactics when he realized there will be very little help coming from David, but he did get notably irritated in the end.
 

delft

Brigadier
IMO what the Text books don't show are the finer points which come from experience.

Have you ever looked at a cook book and had a attempt at cooking or baking something that appeals.Most of the time it never turns out like what you see in the cook book.

I guess in time they could relearn the processes meanwhile the other crowd have moved further ahead.
Given the uncertainty of success apart from making a profit, I guess attracting investors would be quite tricky.
It is about producing the goods, not about doing it as well as the other crowd.
 

delft

Brigadier
If the choice is between your, slightly inferior, product and not buying at all because China export less that is needed, what can the buyer do?
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Finally got to watch it, the dragon dancing was terrible, but good program overall, though I do feel David Li is a subpar debater and public speaker, I think I did better in my debate clubs.
Like Dr. K said, it's like a 3v1, makes me question how well Harvard actually teaches.
Neil on the otoh was the best debater, he switched his tactics when he realized there will be very little help coming from David, but he did get notably irritated in the end.

What do you make of Zakaria's statement when as part of his arguement he said China's monthly FDI was more than what India received in a year, and yet China's GDP was only 2% more.
I guess he was implying that China's economy was very inefficient, aspects of which would become China's stumbling blocks?
 
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