Chinese Economics Thread

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
I don't guys, the more I read about this Euro EFSF thing, the more I doubt it would work. Read up on the latest The Economists issue is pretty neat.

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As a young lad there was many a time when i was broke I would empty out my pockets of the clothes i had recently worn in the hope of finding a few dollars here n there for Saturday night and sometimes I would get lucky.
Seems like Germany in desperation has resorted to a similar activity and guess what she found $55 billion euros. Now if Greece , Portugal, Spain, Ireland, and the the rest of the countries checked their pockets and found a similar amount of money , then there's no crisis.

Or maybe they think they know what China's answer will be when they get around to asking. I think it could be something along the lines of..... "You're kiddin me right"



After all the unexpected billions seems to be close to the amount that they are hoping China might kick in
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Germany finds itself 55bn euros richer after discovering an accounting error at Hypo Real Estate, the bank it nationalised in 2009.
 

A.Man

Major
You need to grab some basic economy books from library perhaps and READ them

C, G, and I are expenditures on final goods and services; expenditures on intermediate goods and services do not count. (Intermediate goods and services are those used by businesses to produce other goods and services within the accounting year)

A sold a car to B for $1, then B sold the car To C for $1, GDP = $1

If A sold a car to B for $1, then B sold the car to C for $1.3; GDP = 1 + (1.3-1) = $1.3
 
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delft

Brigadier
My mistake: I was searching for vacuum cleaner and only the English term hoover appeared. I felt there was something wrong, hence the interrogation sign.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
A Timely warning for China?

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A new wave of furloughs and layoffs has hit Taiwan's high-tech sector, but it reflects more than a down economic cycle. It is a sign of a very serious problem facing Taiwan's high-tech sector -- declining competitiveness. Taiwan's high-tech sector thrived for two decades on a Wintel-dominated personal computer (PC) model, in which local companies customized hardware based on a framework defined by Intel processors that run Microsoft Windows. The model, however, had some adverse side effects, including limited technological diversification and product

differentiation, minimal profit margins due to cut-throat competition and easy duplication by emerging countries. As a result, many of Taiwan's high-tech giants only earn 3 to 5 percent margins on their sales. Since the introduction of Apple Inc.'s iPad tablet computer, Wintel PC shipments have taken a hit. Early this year, Taiwan's flagship PC maker Acer Inc. started losing money, and Quanta and Inventec, two major contract makers of Wintel PCs, recently
announced layoff plans because Wintel tablets could not compete with the iPad. Taiwan's inadequate investment in R&D over the long-term has also resulted in its companies earning far less than their South Korean counterparts in the Apple supply chain, as seen in a recent study by a team led by Stanford University professor Kenneth L. Kraemer on who actually benefits from technological innovation. The study found that on an iPhone 4, Apple alone took 58.5 percent of the profit, compared with 0.5 percent for components and parts suppliers in Taiwan and Japan, 4.7 percent for Korean suppliers and 2.4 percent to other American companies. For the iPad, Apple took 30 percent of the profits, Taiwan 2 percent, Japan 1 percent and Korea 7 percent. Meanwhile, market research firm iSuppli discovered that four of the seven most expensive components in the iPhone4 -- the LCD display, NAND-type Flash memory, SDRAM and A4 processor -- were supplied by Korean makers, accounting for 42.7 percent of the cost of the phone's components.
In contrast, the touchscreen was the only component definitely supplied by Taiwan, accounting for a mere 5.3 percent of the parts cost. This small share has turned Taiwanese companies into "Apple slaves." The two studies indicate that Taiwan has fallen behind Korea in the technology race. Similar woes are also seen in the DRAM and LCD display industries. Korea's efforts in R&D, branding and product differentiation over the past decade have borne fruit. In

contrast, Taiwanese high-tech companies are reeling from the changes brought by global market trends. The government and high-tech sector must pool their wisdom to hammer out a new strategy to overcome the challenges ahead. (Editorial abstract -- Oct. 31, 2011). (By Sofia Wu)
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
A Timely warning for China?

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A new wave of furloughs and layoffs has hit Taiwan's high-tech sector, but it reflects more than a down economic cycle. It is a sign of a very serious problem facing Taiwan's high-tech sector -- declining competitiveness. Taiwan's high-tech sector thrived for two decades on a Wintel-dominated personal computer (PC) model, in which local companies customized hardware based on a framework defined by Intel processors that run Microsoft Windows. The model, however, had some adverse side effects, including limited technological diversification and product

differentiation, minimal profit margins due to cut-throat competition and easy duplication by emerging countries. As a result, many of Taiwan's high-tech giants only earn 3 to 5 percent margins on their sales. Since the introduction of Apple Inc.'s iPad tablet computer, Wintel PC shipments have taken a hit. Early this year, Taiwan's flagship PC maker Acer Inc. started losing money, and Quanta and Inventec, two major contract makers of Wintel PCs, recently
announced layoff plans because Wintel tablets could not compete with the iPad. Taiwan's inadequate investment in R&D over the long-term has also resulted in its companies earning far less than their South Korean counterparts in the Apple supply chain, as seen in a recent study by a team led by Stanford University professor Kenneth L. Kraemer on who actually benefits from technological innovation. The study found that on an iPhone 4, Apple alone took 58.5 percent of the profit, compared with 0.5 percent for components and parts suppliers in Taiwan and Japan, 4.7 percent for Korean suppliers and 2.4 percent to other American companies. For the iPad, Apple took 30 percent of the profits, Taiwan 2 percent, Japan 1 percent and Korea 7 percent. Meanwhile, market research firm iSuppli discovered that four of the seven most expensive components in the iPhone4 -- the LCD display, NAND-type Flash memory, SDRAM and A4 processor -- were supplied by Korean makers, accounting for 42.7 percent of the cost of the phone's components.
In contrast, the touchscreen was the only component definitely supplied by Taiwan, accounting for a mere 5.3 percent of the parts cost. This small share has turned Taiwanese companies into "Apple slaves." The two studies indicate that Taiwan has fallen behind Korea in the technology race. Similar woes are also seen in the DRAM and LCD display industries. Korea's efforts in R&D, branding and product differentiation over the past decade have borne fruit. In

contrast, Taiwanese high-tech companies are reeling from the changes brought by global market trends. The government and high-tech sector must pool their wisdom to hammer out a new strategy to overcome the challenges ahead. (Editorial abstract -- Oct. 31, 2011). (By Sofia Wu)

I guess electronic industry doesn't revolve around Iphone or Ipad Ok they make great product but actually if you look into market share Android phone beat Iphone in total market share.

Why is this guy keep harping on apple in few years apple will lost their shine now that Steve job is not there anymore
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Samsung blew past Apple and Nokia in the third quarter to become the No. 1 smartphone vendor in the world, but another emerging smartphone vendor stole the top spot in the U.S. according to a new report. Market research firm Canalys on Monday released country-level smartphone shipment estimates and according to its figures, HTC shipped 5.7 million own-brand smartphones and another 700,000 T-Mobile-branded handsets in the U.S. last quarter to take the top spot with 6.4 million total devices shipped. Samsung shipped 4.9 million smartphones in the U.S. last quarter according to Canalys, and Apple shipped 4.6 million iPhones to slide to the No. 3 spot. “However you count it, HTC has become a deserved leader in the US smart phone market,” said Canalys analyst Chris Jones in a statement. “This is an awesome achievement for HTC, which has built a premium brand in a highly competitive market in just a few short years. It now has a strong range of 4G Android products, with devices ranged by each of the major carriers, and offers some of the most compelling and differentiated products found on the platform today.” The full press release from Canalys follows below.

HTC takes the lead in the US smart phone market

- A steller performance from Samsung sees it become the world’s number one vendor

Palo Alto, Shanghai, Singapore and Reading (UK) – Monday, 31 October 2011

Canalys today released its Q3 2011 country-level smart phone shipment estimates to clients, revealing that HTC has taken the top spot in the US market. At the same time, a particularly strong performance from Samsung saw it become the world’s number one smart phone vendor. Overall, the worldwide market grew substantially: 49% year-on-year to 120.4 million units.

With phenomenal year-on-year and sequential growth of 252% and 60% respectively, Samsung shipped 27.3 million smart phones under its own brand to capture a 23% share, becoming the number one vendor in APAC, Western Europe and Latin America, ahead of Nokia, Apple and RIM respectively. With well-regarded products, such as the Galaxy S II, and significant marketing campaigns, the vendor registered the second highest quarterly shipment total in the market’s history, behind only Nokia’s Q4 2010 performance. In addition, Samsung shipped an estimated 500,000 units worldwide under the Google and T-Mobile brands.

In the United States, the world’s largest smart phone market, HTC shone in Q3 2011, edging out Apple and Samsung to become the leading vendor. HTC shipped 5.7 million smart phones in the US under its own brand, giving it almost a quarter of the market, as well as an estimated 70,000 units under the T-Mobile brand. ‘However you count it, HTC has become a deserved leader in the US smart phone market,’ said Palo Alto-based Canalys Vice President and Principal Analyst, Chris Jones. ‘This is an awesome achievement for HTC, which has built a premium brand in a highly competitive market in just a few short years. It now has a strong range of 4G Android products, with devices ranged by each of the major carriers, and offers some of the most compelling and differentiated products found on the platform today.’

Samsung pushed Apple into third place in the US market, with shipments of its own-brand devices reaching 4.9 million units. Apple’s US smart phone shipments totaled 4.6 million in the quarter and it was affected around the world by consumers waiting for the launch of the next-generation iPhone.

‘Apple did not stir the usual excitement levels in the industry with the announcement of the iPhone 4S, but that was never likely to dampen volumes, due to pent up demand from the later than expected launch and the addition of Sprint as a third carrier,’ said Jones. ‘Early iPhone 4S sales have shown this is the case, and we expect to see a strong Q4 for Apple.’

‘Next week marks the two-year anniversary of Verizon Wireless’s DROID launch, the tremendously successful family of Android-based smart phones in the United States,’ said Jones. ‘Customers who bought early will see their loyalty tested in the coming weeks as their contracts come to an end.’

After a slow start in 2010, AT&T has over-delivered on the number of Android devices it promised to launch in 2011, including the Impulse 4G, supplied by Huawei but AT&T-branded, sold at an aggressive $30 with a contract to target first-time smart phone buyers. Android holds nearly 70% of the platform share in the United States, compared with 57% worldwide.

RIM had another tough quarter in its largest market, where its volumes declined 58% from a year ago and its US market share slipped from 24% in Q3 2010 to just 9% in Q3 2011. It continues to face unfavorable press there and its volumes have dropped significantly despite a refreshed product line that includes its flagship BlackBerry Bold 9900.

‘RIM’s market share has fallen below 10% for the first time, and the current outlook for it in the US is certainly bleak,’ said UK-based Canalys Senior Analyst, Tim Shepherd. ‘While Apple can for now get away with not having a 4G smart phone, no other vendor in the US can. RIM must deliver a competitive high-end 4G smart phone in early 2012.’

‘The picture for RIM in other parts of the world is clearly more positive. It grew 59% in EMEA and 56% in APAC over a year ago, largely driven by the continued popularity of BBM, its BlackBerry Messenger service. The Middle East and Africa and Southeast Asia were particular bright spots, and while October’s outage, focused on EMEA particularly, has hurt RIM’s reputation for reliability we do not expect it to have a substantial impact and expect a decent Q4 performance there.’

‘But undoubtedly RIM needs to deliver new, fresh, exciting products to the market and increase its pace of innovation and execution if it is going to have any chance of reasserting its position in North America. It badly needs to deliver on its potential with its new BBX platform,’ said Shepherd.

Canalys’ research also revealed huge growth in the smart phone market in mainland China, where shipments in Q3 2011 increased by an impressive 160% on a year ago to 23.2 million units. While maintaining very high growth potential, just over 200,000 fewer smart phones shipped in China than in the United States, leaving it a hair’s breadth away from being the world’s largest smart phone market.

The Chinese smart phone market is seeing explosive growth, not least from domestic vendors Huawei and ZTE,’ said Shanghai-based Canalys Research Director for China, Nicole Peng. ‘Both vendors are delivering good-quality, attractive smart phones on the Android platform for both the domestic and foreign markets, and their aggressive pricing strategies are enabling them to ship large volumes. They will continue to be an increasingly disruptive force in the global market in the coming quarters.’

Nokia retained its lead in the Chinese smart phone market, though echoing a picture seen around the world, it lost significant ground. Its share declined from 75% in Q3 2010 to 28% in Q3 2011.

‘Nokia has several tough quarters still ahead of it, even in its traditionally strong markets in APAC, such as China,’ said Peng. ‘The recent announcement of its first two Windows Phone devices, however, gives cause for some optimism, and shows that Nokia can still produce innovative and well-designed products. While China is not on Nokia’s initial list of launch countries for its Lumia products, Canalys understands that the market is a key priority for the vendor and expects to see Nokia Windows Phone devices there in the first half of 2012.’

Apple and Samsung also grew significantly in China this quarter, each enjoying growth of 710% and 805% year-on-year respectively.
 
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bladerunner

Banned Idiot
I guess electronic industry doesn't revolve around Iphone or Ipad .

I guess Im looking at it from a different perspective. I remember reading about 5yrs? ago commentators reflecting upon the future position of Korea with the emergence of China into the consumer electronics field. Many thought Korea's would feel Chinas growth the most because the technology gap in consumer electronics between the two was not considered to have been particularly huge (about2yrs at the most).

In Short Korea hasnt gotten swamped with Chinas emergence whereas Taiwans position is a little more susceptable to Chinas rise.?
 

delft

Brigadier
A Daily Telegraph article about the relative sizes of economies in 2020:
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Brazil will overtake the UK to become the world's sixth biggest economy this year, according to new projections.

The Latin American giant's GDP for 2011 is expected to hit $2.44 trillion (£1.51 trillion) compared with $2.43 trillion for the UK, the latest monthly forecasts from the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU) show.
This will see Brazil, which last year overtook Italy to become the world's seventh biggest economy, move up one more place to sixth with the UK falling to seventh.
Robert Wood, the EIU's chief economist on Brazil, said the country's surge up the table owed much to a growing consumer class and a booming trade relationship with China, based on the Asian giant's need for commodities such as soy and iron ore.
"It's partly the story of the lower income classes rising up in Brazil to join the middle-class and partly the sheer size of the population of nearly 200m," said Mr Wood.
"This also links in with Brazil's emergence in terms of being dragged up by demand from China. We are in the middle of a commodity super-cycle that will last for some time but at some point the really good times Brazil is enjoying will cool off a bit."
According to the EIU, Brazil will lose sixth place to India in 2013 but regain it in 2014 – the year it will host the World Cup - when its GDP overtakes that of France.
The forecasts suggest that Brazil's economy will be bigger than any in Europe by 2020 when it overtakes Germany to become the fifth biggest globally – after China, by then the world's leading economy measured in dollars, the US, India and Japan.
The UK will find itself placed ninth in the global league table in 2020, predicts EIU, with Germany sixth, Russia seventh and France eighth.
Brazil grew by 7.5pc last year after comfortably weathering the financial crisis of 2008 and 2009. The EIU predicts it will see growth of 3pc this year and 3.5pc in 2012, compared with 0.7pc for both years in the UK.
So the Economist Intelligence Unit says in 2020 the economies are rated in dollars from the largest: China, USA, India, Japan, Brazil, Germany, Russia, France, UK. Still France and the UK expect to belong to the major military powers in 2020. Why? And can they pay for that?
Of course making predictions is difficult, especially when it concerns the future.
 
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