What happened to supporting your claims? I've read my own posts plenty of times, and have not seen the things you've accused me of. Point out where you've derived your conclusions about my post. If you find something disagreeable with them the burden of proof is on you. If you're going to make outrageous accusations you better be ready to prove them.
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What happened to supporting your claims? I've read my own posts plenty of times, and have not seen the things you've accused me of. Point out where you've derived your conclusions about my post. If you find something disagreeable with them the burden of proof is on you. If you're going to make outrageous accusations you better be ready to prove them.
AssassinsMace
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It's called going back and read your own posts.
You think I'm going to entertain a guy that will tell everyone a news article isn't talking about China when the first word in the title says China and the only country named in the article is China? And you're going to believe what's printed right in front of you?
You think I'm going to entertain a guy that will tell everyone a news article isn't talking about China when the first word in the title says China and the only country named in the article is China? And you're going to believe what's printed right in front of you?
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So, after putting words in my mouth and falsifying my claims you're too scared to go back and examine the evidence. Well played sir. Just one more question. Can we conclude then that your ego is more important than your sense of dignity? Or do you simply value your lack of honesty most.
After all I've been the only one who's demonstrated a bother to actually go back and read prior posts. It's your turn sir. If you can't find a quote where I said the article wasn't about China, it's because those don't exist, and I'm not going to bother c/ping the entire thing for you to read again. It's already on record. You accused me of saying things I said I haven't. Your burden of proof. Not mine. The accused don't hang themselves just because you wish it. It's not my credibility that's on the line.
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AssassinsMace
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You think I'm going waste my time cutting and pasting for someone who won't believe what's written in front of you. You don't see China in that article yet China is written everywhere. What does that say about you? It's called denial. Show your proof as everyone has been demanding of you. And you haven't once. What does that say? I already pointed to everything before and you just want me to point it out again? That's your cop out. Every argument you've made has been shot down. Everything you complain about has been accused of you already. Have you shown any proof of what you've argued. No, because everytime you've been asked for it you just digress into something else. That's called diverting attention away from when you've been caught wrong. Can you point to any argument you've made that's been right? Not one.
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I am simply asking that you back your accusation that I said the article had nothing to do with China, when I very clearly discuss China in the context of the article. It's not that hard, certainly no more work than reading any new comment I've made and responding to it.
If you'd rather not though, I'll summarize my main point (for what is at least the third time) again. If after this you're still in disagreement, then I suggest you go back and pull quotes where I've said the contrary, or save your breath because you obviously aren't making an effort at all in continuing this in good faith.
I discussed how if the US and China were in a reverse position, you would expect the same kind of reaction from China regarding the US, and how the article wasn't challenging China's ownership of the rare earth metals. I made that all very clear if you were reading what I was saying at all instead of pretending I was saying something else.
Anyways, beyond you asking me for "proof" of things you've accused me of, no one else has asked me for "proof" regarding my claims where I haven't replied. If you would like to point out something I missed, I will gladly address those points. Otherwise, once again, don't bother replying. Unless you actually back up your accusations about what I've said, you clearly have no intention what so ever of actually reading what I've said, and instead have wasted your time projecting false notions and refusing to support your claims about my comments.
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AssassinsMace
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And I've ask you to show the proof that the West has a case for claiming China's property. There has to be an agreement, contract, treaty, or Western investment into Chinese rare earth industries. I've been asking you this every since you brought it up and you've not once in the slightest addressed it. You say I'm stonewalling proving that you're right? What have you been doing all this time?
Ego is when you argue that the West has a case for claim to Chinese rare earths it produces then later claiming that all along you agreed it was Chinese property. Then I ask you why did you bother to argue. To which again you didn't answer. Just like literally everything else, you never have shown proof to anything you argued. You don't because your ego prevents you from admitting you were wrong. So what do you do instead? Claim that you've always said it was Chinese property. If you agree it was Chinese property and since you said there was a case for Western rights to Chinese produced rare earths, show the agreement, contract, treaty, or Western investment into Chinese rare earth companies to support your claim. You can't. Why? Because that is simply your opinion. And ego is thinking your opinion is more valid than everyone elses in this forum and all of the media of the world.
Ego is when you argue that the West has a case for claim to Chinese rare earths it produces then later claiming that all along you agreed it was Chinese property. Then I ask you why did you bother to argue. To which again you didn't answer. Just like literally everything else, you never have shown proof to anything you argued. You don't because your ego prevents you from admitting you were wrong. So what do you do instead? Claim that you've always said it was Chinese property. If you agree it was Chinese property and since you said there was a case for Western rights to Chinese produced rare earths, show the agreement, contract, treaty, or Western investment into Chinese rare earth companies to support your claim. You can't. Why? Because that is simply your opinion. And ego is thinking your opinion is more valid than everyone elses in this forum and all of the media of the world.
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This is a perfect example of what I mean. I nowhere did I state "the West has a case for claiming China's property", and in fact I have stated the opposite, several times. You clearly cannot read.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
Yes you did.
Everyone you were arguing against in here all said it was simply Chinese property. That's the sole reason why no one else can claim otherwise. That's the whole point and which is why no one on your side dares to mention. It's would be strange to anyone with any sense to see anyone arguing it's their right to tell another what to do with their own property. Americans say "possession is 9/10ths of the law." Just don't mention it's someone elses property and people will think its automatically theirs if someone complains about it. Like I mentioned way early on about the comment I read in Yahoo where someone wrote "Nuke China and take back our property." Now why would this person think this is their property for them to take back? Because this is why it's not even mentioned it's Chinese property so people think they have a claim to it and China is a thief and justifies action against. Just like you don't want to admit this falls under the very definition that it's an outsourcing story. It's everything they want and demand in their arguments against outsourcing. It confuses them and it's a knee-jerk reaction that China is the one giving the people against outsourcing what they want? They're like Pavlovian dogs. A dog doesn't know what the word "sit" is. It just knows when it hears that sound, it's suppose to put its butt on the floor. They don't even know what the word means. If China is giving them what they want, it has to be bad because they've been taught to think anything China does has to be bad not good for them. So they can't even see how this is what they've always wanted in regards to being against outsourcing.
Everyone you were arguing against in here all said it was simply Chinese property. That's the sole reason why no one else can claim otherwise. That's the whole point and which is why no one on your side dares to mention. It's would be strange to anyone with any sense to see anyone arguing it's their right to tell another what to do with their own property. Americans say "possession is 9/10ths of the law." Just don't mention it's someone elses property and people will think its automatically theirs if someone complains about it. Like I mentioned way early on about the comment I read in Yahoo where someone wrote "Nuke China and take back our property." Now why would this person think this is their property for them to take back? Because this is why it's not even mentioned it's Chinese property so people think they have a claim to it and China is a thief and justifies action against. Just like you don't want to admit this falls under the very definition that it's an outsourcing story. It's everything they want and demand in their arguments against outsourcing. It confuses them and it's a knee-jerk reaction that China is the one giving the people against outsourcing what they want? They're like Pavlovian dogs. A dog doesn't know what the word "sit" is. It just knows when it hears that sound, it's suppose to put its butt on the floor. They don't even know what the word means. If China is giving them what they want, it has to be bad because they've been taught to think anything China does has to be bad not good for them. So they can't even see how this is what they've always wanted in regards to being against outsourcing.
This Is From A Russian Newspaper
Google Translation
Russian media said the Chinese pig iron production is the sum of the rest of the world 1.5 times. (Information)
Russia "Ming Daily" September 21 article, the original title: China - hidden superpower
Western countries are talking about the China threat, self-esteem so that they are satisfied that the status of China in the global financial markets remain weak, China's GDP is still far behind the United States. But the actual situation of China's GDP in addition to China no one know exactly.
So how do the actual situation of China's GDP? To answer this question, look at China's statistical data. According to official figures, China's large-scale production in 2009 reached 60 trillion yuan, the equivalent of $ 9 trillion. Small scale production may reach $ 2 trillion. U.S. industrial situation then? Before the crisis of its total annual production of not more than $ 6 trillion. It can be seen, the size of China's industrial production is equivalent to 2 times the United States.
According to statistics, in May this year, China produced 55 million tons of pig iron production in the United States for one year. If the count output by the year, will reach 650 million tons, it will be all the countries of the world 1.5 times. In addition, China's very large scale infrastructure, China's infrastructure spending in 2010 reached 27.8 trillion yuan (about $ 400 trillion). U.S. spending in this area in 2009 only 1.65 trillion.
How can the field of agriculture? U.S. meat production in China more than doubled the annual output reached 80 million tons. The U.S. national debt has reached 14 trillion. While China has 1.5 trillion of bonds hold the United States. The United States there is a huge difference between imports and exports, consumption, far more than their production capacity. Is also the United States as a superpower in the global economy? In fact, China has not overtake the United States, the facts before us. But the Chinese out of strategic considerations, not yet admit it. The size of the GDP of the United States formally announced it true? In fact, this is exaggerated figures. The scale of China was artificially reduced. China's real GDP has surpassed the United States.
West believes that his country has U.S. and European companies do not have some high-tech capabilities, the Chinese industry is relatively backward, unable to produce the advanced science-intensive products. But they are wrong, the Chinese will soon have the ability to produce this product. Then China has accounted for a high degree of new technologies, build integrated aerospace systems and a high-tech army. China imported from abroad, complex equipment, and learn from one technology to produce their own products. At the same time China has to develop its own science and technology. At present, China and the United States has considerable R & D scale, even more than the United States. In addition, China has attracted large foreign companies to participate in China's scientific research, to develop their industries. China is still the world's advanced technologies to collect. Therefore, China will soon exceed Russia in science and technology, and with the West shoulder. China would also break the high-tech only democracy in the United States under the conditions of such countries can develop the myth. (Author Alexander 阿尼西基夫, Wang Zhen translation)
Google Translation
Russian media said the Chinese pig iron production is the sum of the rest of the world 1.5 times. (Information)
Russia "Ming Daily" September 21 article, the original title: China - hidden superpower
Western countries are talking about the China threat, self-esteem so that they are satisfied that the status of China in the global financial markets remain weak, China's GDP is still far behind the United States. But the actual situation of China's GDP in addition to China no one know exactly.
So how do the actual situation of China's GDP? To answer this question, look at China's statistical data. According to official figures, China's large-scale production in 2009 reached 60 trillion yuan, the equivalent of $ 9 trillion. Small scale production may reach $ 2 trillion. U.S. industrial situation then? Before the crisis of its total annual production of not more than $ 6 trillion. It can be seen, the size of China's industrial production is equivalent to 2 times the United States.
According to statistics, in May this year, China produced 55 million tons of pig iron production in the United States for one year. If the count output by the year, will reach 650 million tons, it will be all the countries of the world 1.5 times. In addition, China's very large scale infrastructure, China's infrastructure spending in 2010 reached 27.8 trillion yuan (about $ 400 trillion). U.S. spending in this area in 2009 only 1.65 trillion.
How can the field of agriculture? U.S. meat production in China more than doubled the annual output reached 80 million tons. The U.S. national debt has reached 14 trillion. While China has 1.5 trillion of bonds hold the United States. The United States there is a huge difference between imports and exports, consumption, far more than their production capacity. Is also the United States as a superpower in the global economy? In fact, China has not overtake the United States, the facts before us. But the Chinese out of strategic considerations, not yet admit it. The size of the GDP of the United States formally announced it true? In fact, this is exaggerated figures. The scale of China was artificially reduced. China's real GDP has surpassed the United States.
West believes that his country has U.S. and European companies do not have some high-tech capabilities, the Chinese industry is relatively backward, unable to produce the advanced science-intensive products. But they are wrong, the Chinese will soon have the ability to produce this product. Then China has accounted for a high degree of new technologies, build integrated aerospace systems and a high-tech army. China imported from abroad, complex equipment, and learn from one technology to produce their own products. At the same time China has to develop its own science and technology. At present, China and the United States has considerable R & D scale, even more than the United States. In addition, China has attracted large foreign companies to participate in China's scientific research, to develop their industries. China is still the world's advanced technologies to collect. Therefore, China will soon exceed Russia in science and technology, and with the West shoulder. China would also break the high-tech only democracy in the United States under the conditions of such countries can develop the myth. (Author Alexander 阿尼西基夫, Wang Zhen translation)
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Brigadier
the translation give me a bad headache :-(