Chinese Economics Thread

OppositeDay

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Most of the data for phosphate rock production quoted so far comes from the USGS mineral commodity summary publications. So why don't we go directly to the USGS publications instead?
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I will add a hypothetical "Years of Reserves Remaining" column based on (Reserves)/(Mine Production Estimated Year). I'm not going to include all the countries.

2021 Publication under Phosphate Rocks:
CountryMine Production 2019Mine Production 2020 EstimatedReservesYears of Reserves Remaining
United States23,30024,0001,000,00041.6
China95,00090,0003,200,00035.5
India1,4801,50046,00030.6
Morocco and Western Sahara35,50037,00050,000,0001,351.1
Russia13,10013,000600,00046.15
World total (rounded)227,000223,00071,000,000318.3

2020 Publication under Phosphate Rocks:
CountryMine Production 2018Mine Production 2019 EstimatedReservesYears of Reserves Remaining
United States25,80023,0001,000,00043.4
China120,000110,0003,200,00029.0
India1,6001,60046,00028.7
Morocco and Western Sahara34,80036,00050,000,0001,388.8
Russia14,00014,000600,00042.8
World total (rounded)249,000240,00069,000,000287.5



Thanks a lot for taking the time to extract/format the data. I understand that reserve is dependent on the economics of extraction and that new deposits are constantly being discovered. But the biggest increase in China's remaining years of reserves came from a decrease in production. I'm glad that China is decreasing production and preserving its reserves either by administrative measures or the export tax system. It shows the leadership is onto the problem. China should gradually phase out export of phosphate which will incentivize production in Morocco and benefit everyone in the long run.
 
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That data point alone is meaningless unless it is accompanied by the age. A 15 years old netizen has no income and a 70 years old pensioner will not have much income either
The point still stands, there are households with combined 600 million people in China that live on less than ¥1090 RMB a month. Who cares if they are dependents, they still have to survive.
 

vincent

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The point still stands, there are households with combined 600 million people in China that live on less than ¥1090 RMB a month. Who cares if they are dependents, they still have to survive.
counting teenagers and retiree in income distribution is meaningless. A much more useful number would be the income of working population
 

2handedswordsman

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Sounds like more printing presses added to the arsenal of Fed. Heidelberg and Lithoman are the backbone of American economy. LOL Meanwhile i learnt from a friend in LA that yesterday he bought simple(!!) orange for about 1$. Prices of milk, butter, groceries, meat skyrocketed also. Does any of the co-forumers residing in US observed such phenomena? This is not going to end good.
 

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Did not know China limited IPO to 23x earnings per share

Interestingly, Caixin Global has a very different take on this issue today. They claim it's the investors who are paying too much for these companies and that regulation is actually increasing:

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I don't think Caixin is right. After all, Caixin can only point to one company whose share price actually fell below its IPO price, while the FT charts showed that the average return after 250 days was still far higher than the IPO price.
 
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