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manqiangrexue said:
Nice add-on to Solarz's post. 66% in China but how well globally? 29% well! Other Chinese phones are taking a bit of a hit, which isn't a problem; as I had said before, it would be a huge problem if the US used these Chinese brands filed with American parts to take away Huawei's domestic lifeline in China's market. It seems that won't be happening... but with all this unexpected global growth, domestic lifelines are of less and less consequence.

Lastly, respect to Samsung; they are a tough tough dog to beat. If they hadn't lost huge market share in China over THAAD, they would have been even tougher.

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Huawei and Samsung are so close now it's meaningless to say any one has a bigger market share.

Of course, the real challenge is next year, when Huawei will be really divorced from Google, barring a miracle.
 
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solarz said:
Huawei and Samsung are so close now it's meaningless to say any one has a bigger market share.

Of course, the real challenge is next year, when Huawei will be really divorced from Google, barring a miracle.
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Well Samsung is still holding on to a double digit lead (21.3% is still 17% more than 18.2%), and it's actually growing instead of shrinking so that's very impressive.

Aren't Mate 30's already flying off the shelves with no Google apps?
 
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manqiangrexue said:
Well Samsung is still holding on to a double digit lead (21.3% is still 17% more than 18.2%), and it's actually growing instead of shrinking so that's very impressive.

Aren't Mate 30's already flying off the shelves with no Google apps?
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In China, yes, not sure about international market. Anyway, it'll take awhile before consumers can decide whether not having Google is an issue.
 
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I doubt people will pick up a smart phone without Google outside of mainland China.
It's just too ubiquitous as a platform not to have it.
 
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SamuraiBlue said:
I doubt people will pick up a smart phone without Google outside of mainland China.
It's just too ubiquitous as a platform not to have it.
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Strangely enough, that is what the EU and Russia wants to do, with both entities cramming down on Google's neck with fines and actions threatening Google to de-monopolize the Android platform. Facebook, Amazon and Microsoft also have their own self interests towards a non-Google Android platform. Even Samsung. I am sure all these entities are watching Huawei closely. I am not saying Huawei can succeed on this. Is it possible to live a non Google life? GMail can be accessed through a third party client, and so can Google Search. OpenStreetMap can replace Google Maps being open sourced. The rest is figuring out how essential Google Play and YouTube is for your life. Gamers that use Google Play accounts may have to stick to using Google Play, but games also offer the option of using Facebook, WeChat and email logins. There are Google apps that are not tied to Google Mobile Services like Google Docs (Sheets, etc,.) but you can substitute that with different office suite like Kingsuite or maybe Office 356. Apple iPhone users perpetually show you don't need a life that requires Google Mobile services.
 
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Tam said:
Strangely enough, that is what the EU and Russia wants to do, with both entities cramming down on Google's neck with fines and actions threatening Google to de-monopolize the Android platform. Facebook, Amazon and Microsoft also have their own self interests towards a non-Google Android platform.
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Neither Europe or Russia has any plans to develop a competing platform against Google. They merely want them to break up the group.
Facebook nor Amazon has the technological prowess to create something as big and entire as google. They can create a portion or feature to compete but not to take over Google entirely. Same with Microsoft in fact Microsoft already failed once so I doubt they will try it again for a long while. They are more into competing with AWS with Azure.Google on the otherhand has a tough battle against Teams and Office 365.
 
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Neither Europe or Russia has any plans to develop a competing platform against Google. They merely want them to break up the group.
Facebook nor Amazon has the technological prowess to create something as big and entire as google. They can create a portion or feature to compete but not to take over Google entirely. Same with Microsoft in fact Microsoft already failed once so I doubt they will try it again for a long while. They are more into competing with AWS with Azure.Google on the otherhand has a tough battle against Teams and Office 365.
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Europe doesn't want a forced monopoly by Google on the smartphones. So they have an interest on seeing a Google free phone, and Russia has a similar interest. Russia in particular, has its own email, search and social media providers. Three of Google's services are not tied to apps --- GMail, Google Search and YouTube --- as you can use third party apps to access these. Google Maps has found a competitor with OpenStreetMap. Last year the game Pokemon Go, which relied on Google Maps, switched to OpenStreetMaps which is kind of ironic since the founder of Niantic, who made Pokemon Go, is the guy who invented Google Maps in the first place.
 
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