Chinese Daily Photos, 2011 to 2019!

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kyanges

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Haha, 86% huh? 14% of China is still a lot of pissed off Chinese people. Lol, oh right, "Unsatisfied", that's the word.
 

Blitzo

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(Responding to AssassinsMace's post.)


Wow, compare that to this spin:


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Obviously there were hundreds of protesters, and the Chinese got rid of them.

Actually it sounds like most of the hundreds of protestors were journalists, waiting and hoping like vultures.

Well, this is forgivable, because it's usually two different groups that claim one or the other. You might see a news article about how porous the firewall is, but in the comments, one single pro-China post is swamped with accusations of brainwashing by other members. The news will say one thing, and people will just go on believing whatever they want.

Lol doesn't really matter. At the end of the day we all know the CCP is so incompetant their own firewall is bull and any people who support them are down on their luck folks who get paid fifty cents for every pro chinese post.
 

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And let's not forget that a democratic China will be inherently anti-Western. Does anyone seriously think relations with countries that are scared of China now will change because of democracy in China? The only China they will be content with is a backward poor country. All the ingredients of unrest they say are the reason behind the uprisings in the Middle East. How many democratic Chinese politicians will play the blame game in order to get voted? So what they fear of China being not their lackey will still be in play and nothing will change except now the nationalistic Chinese will have a voice and not be stifled which the communists do today.

Nice post, it reminds me of the discussion they're having over at CDF about this.

I particularly like this one, by cloneattacks:

Broadly speaking, a democratic China may be beneficial to the advancement of human rights in China. A fully functioning democratic China may also slow development projects that might cause environmental harm or evict thousands from their homes. In addition, a new democratic government may be more receptive to the Rule of Law. Media, arts and other forms of freedom of expression will have an easier time.

But it will not be the silver bullet to all of China's other problems.

Corruption will still be a huge problem - the CCP is as commmitted as any government to fight corruption, but its the medium-low officials that are the hardest to prosecute. Law enforcement will not be any better. The lows of Chinese culture (like spitting on the pavement and rowdy mainland tour groups) will not be cured. Human rights abuses will still take place (if not at the hands of government, at the hands of private businesses who are looking to exploit). Environmental degradation will still be a huge problem, and no democratic approach can speed up the CCP's efforts to heal China's environment.

On foreign policy, Lancen correctly points out that a democratic China will eventually challenge the US anyway and still distrust the Japanese. While war with Taiwan will be unlikely under a democratic China, I think war with Taiwan under the CCP is also just as unlikely at the moment - simply because of economic interdependence. China will still be energy hungry and its people will still aspire for a rich, prosperous and powerful nation.

It is naive to think that democracy can alter China's destiny or appetite. A democratic system will surely help the Chinese common man and woman, but even so, only to a limited extent.

and by wtlh

It would be naive to think the US does not favour or want the collapse of the CPC. It is at the moment the single biggest threat to the US in long term, not because China's economy, but because of a much deeper conflict in ideology. China has demonstrated the first time in modern history since the height of the soviet union that a "totalitarian" government can become more successful than a democratic system. The west has enjoyed the domination on ideologies for many decades and has firm believe that their way is the best way, and with the collapse of soviet union most population on the planet believed in this too. Now comes the challenger that looks to be more capable than the Soviets in shaking their foundation. This is much more profound threat than marly economic or military conflicts. As long as China under CPC flourishes, it will be a really painful thorn deep in their heart.
 

pla101prc

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14%of China's population is more than the total pop. of most countries in the world so there is still a lot of concern obviously. and to be fair more people that live in rural areas support the CCP than in the cities...10 years ago it would have been the other way around
 

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Actually it sounds like most of the hundreds of protestors were journalists, waiting and hoping like vultures.
Actually, the Western media is up to its old tricks again. Most of the people ARE journalists, being reported as protestors. Just grab a narrow angle view photo of a large crowd and claim that as "evidence" of large protests, and pretty much everybody in the West would just buy it without questioning.

Lol doesn't really matter. At the end of the day we all know the CCP is so incompetant their own firewall is bull and any people who support them are down on their luck folks who get paid fifty cents for every pro chinese post.
"Fifty cents" has another meaning in China, that is people are paid fifty cents by Western agencies for each anti-China post they make. Of course, when being reported in the Western media, this explanation is convinently left out.
 

bd popeye

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There's more photos in the link below from the "evil western media" (liars!!);)..we all of course know that it was a peaceful event. You fellows are so biased it's ridiculous. Plus you are way to sensitive about China. China is in the big leagues now. The media will be all over them about nothing from now until forever. If I got upset everytime some media source published some BS about the US I'd stay mad... ..get over yourselves..

Now look at the pretty pictures..

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kyanges

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There's more photos in the link below from the "evil western media" (liars!!);)..we all of course know that it was a peaceful event. You fellows are so biased it's ridiculous. Plus you are way to sensitive about China. China is in the big leagues now. The media will be all over them about nothing from now until forever. If I got upset everytime some media source published some BS about the US I'd stay mad... ..get over yourselves..

Now look at the pretty pictures..

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Gotta find that happy middle ground between being overly sensitive (Like some Americans.), and being oblivious (Like some Americans).

:p .
 

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The Western media's own contradictions needs no bias to discredit them. The mediums they say are censored in China cannot be said to be at the center of a revolution in China at the same time.

'Jasmine' protests in China fall flat
Beijing, China (CNN) -- If organizers planned big protests in China to echo those in the Mideast and North Africa, they failed.

On Saturday microbloggers passed around tweets calling for protests at 2 p.m. (0600 GMT) Sunday in a dozen major Chinese cities, including Beijing, Shanghai and Guangzhou. But no specific place was cited until several hours beforehand.

In Beijing, the place was supposed to be in Wangfujing, a typically busy shopping street less than a kilometer from Tiananmen Square.

Wangfujing may have been a perfect place to trigger a mass action. The four-lane street is a designated pedestrian street, with thousands of people walking there at any given business hour; no cars and buses are allowed. For decades it has been a favorite shopping district, especially for out-of-town Chinese and foreign tourists. (Locals prefer to shop elsewhere.)

At around 2:15 p.m., according to CNN's Tomas Etzler, who saw the scene, a large presence of police -- uniformed and in plain clothes -- mingled with a gaggle of foreign journalists and scores of people carrying digital cameras. Soon they gathered a group of onlookers from the usual traffic of shoppers and tourists.

Around this time, a young man started arguing with the police.

It is not clear whether the event was related to the planned protest or "performance art."

Most of the crowd dispersed after an hour.

Security officials exercised restraint in handling the scene, Etzler said.

Around Tiananmen Square and Zhongnanhai, the seat of China's government, there was significantly more -- but not massive -- security presence. Tourist traffic on Tiananmen Square appeared normal, with a couple Chinese tourists seen taking pictures in front of the Zhongnanhai front gate, watched by half a dozen police officers.

In Hong Kong, at the same hour, police outnumbered 30 demonstrators outside the gates of the Liaison Office of the Central People's Government. Leung Kwok Hung, a lawmaker nicknamed "Long Hair," told the tiny crowd that the demonstration was the first in Hong Kong in support of China's "Jasmine Revolution" and would not be the last.

He led the group in chanting slogans against the Chinese Communist Party and the crackdown on activists, including lawyers and human rights advocates, in the mainland.

Afterwards, some in the crowd made paper airplanes of their signs, which featured jasmine flowers, and threw them and paper funeral money over the fence onto the grounds of the liaison office. A security officer responded by loudspeaker, saying that if the protesters did not stop, he would file an official complaint.

The protest ended after an hour, all in all a nonevent.

Even though these attempts to initiate protests showed little traction, they have apparently made Chinese authorities more nervous.

A day before the planned protests, police reportedly detained scores of people, including lawyers and human rights advocates, in Beijing and other major cities.

Beijing has appeared to step up the filtering and control of the internet since the outbreak of protests in the Arab world. Search functions for words like "jasmine" and "Egypt" are blocked on certain sites like Sina Weibo and Renren, a clone of Facebook, suggesting the leadership's wariness for similar calls for change.

Read about how microbloggers deal with 'Great Firewall' challenges

Twitter, Facebook and You Tube are regularly blocked in China, even though savvier internet users could overcome the firewall with a VPN, or virtual private network. The popular Sina Weibo microblogging service is erratic, with retweeting and the posting of photos blocked.

CNN's Tim Schwarz contributed to this report.








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I seriously think that the media is playing this up too much. Only three-four people showed up to the protest and we have no idea whether it was even related to the so-called "Jasmine Revolution" from Chinese internet blogs. This is like the equivalent of me starting an anonymous blog saying that I'm going to organize a massive protest in Texas advocating Texas independence and three tree huggers protesting the oil spill got arrested the next day but the media connects the dots and conclude that the government "quelled" a Texan revolution some how.
 

bd popeye

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I created a new thread based on the below post by Blitzo..

Here's a link to the new thread..

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/members-club-room/difference-between-us-them-5502.html#post140114

From Time.com

"The mummies were all liberated, what about the terracotta warriors?"
'JASMINE2010220,' a Twitter user, imploring Chinese people to stage anti-government protests; small protests in Beijing and Shanghai this weekend were quickly squashed by Beijing

I have this question to Chinese (or non Chinese) users on SDF -- what do you think of the democracy protestors in general (not just these so called jasmine protestors/revolutionaries)? I know it's hard to lump them all into a group and generalize them, but hear me out.
I'd like to hear what you think the difference is, between "our" train of thought and "theirs," and what makes those differences. Most Chinese users here on SDF, seem to not call strongly for a "democracy or bust" doctrine which the Chinese protestors ("they") usually call for -- some of us seem to be rather cautious of blind democracy as a matter of fact.
[EDIT: and protests against corruption can be left out, as they're not exclusively "democracy or bust" -- though sometimes these incidents can lead to people who are more strongly against the CCP, like the guy who investigated the sichuan earthquake school collapses and is now... not flavour of the month with the CCP]

I'm interested in what factors could drive people either to the near aggressive, bloodthirsty democracy state or conversely what could influence them to the less democracy-happy, slightly more resigned corner. Media? Personal childhood/family history with CCP? Personal financial situation? Simple idealism in some people?

I once had a lengthy online conversation with a tiananmen 1989 protestor, who supposedly saw a friend get shot by the army that night, who was is presumably is still vehemently anti CCP. My own mother on the other hand, was also a university student protestor at the time but left before things turned nasty and doesn't have nearly a negative outlook on the CCP, and supports some of the actions they took that night. Obviously things could have been different if she'd seen one of her friends shot -- she'd be traumatized which would probably lead to anger to those who caused the hypothetical event, and that would be an equivalent answer to the one I ask for above.

I hope this is within the rules of the forum, and I don't want it to turn nasty, I'm just curious for some opinions from other posters here. Mods seperate this and further replies to a new thread if seen fit, please.

Cheers.
 
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