Chinese cruise and anti-ship missiles
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Could it be that China is preempting the US-ROK drill by occupying the general area? There have been plenty of Chinese statements opposing this drill, arguing variously for the need to lower tensions (or to not increase them) on the Korean peninsula, or that these drills are too close to China itself.
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
I don't know how credible it is but over at FYJS board there's a Russian media report that the ASBM test looks to have been successful. Anybody know any more info?
cloyce
Junior Member
I don't understand well what happened at sec 1.55.
Is that a cruise missile intercept?
Martian
Senior Member
China's C-802 or "Chinese Exocet" anti-ship missile
China has many options in repelling hostile capital ships in her waters. Let's look at some of the more obvious choices.
Option #1: Attack with land-based or ship-fired sea-skimming C-802/"Chinese Exocet."
The following video is a live-fire comparison test of China's C-801 (e.g. a progenitor of the C-802) and France's Exocet:
China's C-802 anti-ship missile
Pakistan tests firing C-802 cruise missile on a target ship
See
China has many options in repelling hostile capital ships in her waters. Let's look at some of the more obvious choices.
Option #1: Attack with land-based or ship-fired sea-skimming C-802/"Chinese Exocet."
The following video is a live-fire comparison test of China's C-801 (e.g. a progenitor of the C-802) and France's Exocet:
China's C-802 anti-ship missile
Pakistan tests firing C-802 cruise missile on a target ship
See
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Martian
Senior Member
China's deadly Yu-6 torpedo/reverse-engineered Mark 48 heavyweight torpedo
China's Option #2: Use a conventionally-powered or nuclear attack submarine to fire a keel-breaker Yu-6/Mark 48 heavyweight torpedo.
The power of a single Yu-6/Mark 48 torpedo can be seen in the following video:
"paradisedriver — August 01, 2008 — Training exercise video showing a "kill" in one shot."
Yu-6 torpedo
"Yu-6 torpedo
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yu-6 (鱼-6) torpedo is the Chinese equivalent of the Mark 48 torpedo. In addition to wire and active / passive homing guidance, wake homing guidance is also incorporated. Many domestic Chinese sources have claimed that Yu-6 torpedo is in the same class as the Mk 48 Mod. 4 torpedo, but official information of Yu-6 torpedo released by the Chinese government is limited and such claim thus cannot be confirmed by sources outside China."
China's Option #2: Use a conventionally-powered or nuclear attack submarine to fire a keel-breaker Yu-6/Mark 48 heavyweight torpedo.
The power of a single Yu-6/Mark 48 torpedo can be seen in the following video:
"paradisedriver — August 01, 2008 — Training exercise video showing a "kill" in one shot."
Yu-6 torpedo
"Yu-6 torpedo
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yu-6 (鱼-6) torpedo is the Chinese equivalent of the Mark 48 torpedo. In addition to wire and active / passive homing guidance, wake homing guidance is also incorporated. Many domestic Chinese sources have claimed that Yu-6 torpedo is in the same class as the Mk 48 Mod. 4 torpedo, but official information of Yu-6 torpedo released by the Chinese government is limited and such claim thus cannot be confirmed by sources outside China."
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Martian
Senior Member
China's anti-ship ballistic missile (i.e. ASBM) with incoming Mach 10 warhead
Based on 50 years of missile-technology mastery, China has recently developed a third option: the anti-ship ballistic missile (i.e. ASBM) with an incoming Mach 10 warhead.
China's ASBMs
I don't know whether the following land-based test was conducted with a kinetic or High-Explosive warhead. However, if an aircraft carrier gets hit, it looks like it will be out of commission.
"Marvel · 1 week ago
If somebody could clarify, the ASBM would not be a unitary warhead, correct? I remember reading somewhere that it may be a sort of cluster munition designed to puncture the carrier deck with flechettes, rendering it inoperable."
Based on 50 years of missile-technology mastery, China has recently developed a third option: the anti-ship ballistic missile (i.e. ASBM) with an incoming Mach 10 warhead.
China's ASBMs
I don't know whether the following land-based test was conducted with a kinetic or High-Explosive warhead. However, if an aircraft carrier gets hit, it looks like it will be out of commission.
"Marvel · 1 week ago
If somebody could clarify, the ASBM would not be a unitary warhead, correct? I remember reading somewhere that it may be a sort of cluster munition designed to puncture the carrier deck with flechettes, rendering it inoperable."
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Pointblank
Senior Member
When you confine ships in a small area and they are operating using a set operational area and pattern, then yes, any group of ships can be tracked for significant amounts of time. If a group of ships have the freedom to operate under random and dynamic movement, then the probabilities of one finding said group of ships drops significantly.
Martian
Senior Member
China's SOSUS
There are many methods of tracking a large capital surface ship. The most often-mentioned ways are reconnaissance satellites, over-the-horizon (i.e. OTH) radars, and aerial reconnaissance by aircraft or UAVs. However, I would like to discuss the overlooked topic of underwater detection.
The technology is 49 years old. It would be silly to claim that China has not or cannot duplicate SOSUS in the waters off of China.
"SOSUS, an acronym for Sound Surveillance System, is a chain of underwater listening posts across the northern Atlantic Ocean near Greenland, Iceland and the United Kingdom — the GIUK gap. It was originally operated by the United States Navy for tracking Soviet submarines, which had to pass through the gap to attack targets further west. Other locations in the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean also had SOSUS stations. It was later supplemented by mobile assets such as the Surveillance Towed Array Sensor System (SURTASS), and became part of the Integrated Undersea Surveillance System (IUSS). Many other listening posts are still in operation around the world.
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First SOSUS sensors
SOSUS goes operational
In 1961, SOSUS tracked the USS George Washington (SSBN-598) from the United States to the United Kingdom. The next year SOSUS detected and tracked its first Soviet diesel submarine. Later that year the SOSUS test system in the Bahamas tracked a Soviet Foxtrot class submarine during the Cuban Missile Crisis. SOSUS was upgraded a number of times as submarines became quieter.
SOSUS systems consisted of bottom mounted hydrophone arrays connected by underwater cables to facilities ashore. The individual arrays were installed primarily on continental slopes and seamounts at locations optimized for undistorted long range acoustic propagation. The combination of location within the ocean and the sensitivity of arrays allowed the system to detect acoustic power of less than a watt at ranges of several hundred kilometers."
China can build this:
Type 052C Aegis-class destroyer #171 Haikou
But not this???
A hydrophone
There are many methods of tracking a large capital surface ship. The most often-mentioned ways are reconnaissance satellites, over-the-horizon (i.e. OTH) radars, and aerial reconnaissance by aircraft or UAVs. However, I would like to discuss the overlooked topic of underwater detection.
The technology is 49 years old. It would be silly to claim that China has not or cannot duplicate SOSUS in the waters off of China.
"SOSUS, an acronym for Sound Surveillance System, is a chain of underwater listening posts across the northern Atlantic Ocean near Greenland, Iceland and the United Kingdom — the GIUK gap. It was originally operated by the United States Navy for tracking Soviet submarines, which had to pass through the gap to attack targets further west. Other locations in the Atlantic and Pacific Ocean also had SOSUS stations. It was later supplemented by mobile assets such as the Surveillance Towed Array Sensor System (SURTASS), and became part of the Integrated Undersea Surveillance System (IUSS). Many other listening posts are still in operation around the world.
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First SOSUS sensors
SOSUS goes operational
In 1961, SOSUS tracked the USS George Washington (SSBN-598) from the United States to the United Kingdom. The next year SOSUS detected and tracked its first Soviet diesel submarine. Later that year the SOSUS test system in the Bahamas tracked a Soviet Foxtrot class submarine during the Cuban Missile Crisis. SOSUS was upgraded a number of times as submarines became quieter.
SOSUS systems consisted of bottom mounted hydrophone arrays connected by underwater cables to facilities ashore. The individual arrays were installed primarily on continental slopes and seamounts at locations optimized for undistorted long range acoustic propagation. The combination of location within the ocean and the sensitivity of arrays allowed the system to detect acoustic power of less than a watt at ranges of several hundred kilometers."
China can build this:
Type 052C Aegis-class destroyer #171 Haikou
But not this???
A hydrophone