Chinese Aviation Industry

chuck731

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Starting from 9-11, the last 12 years have not been kind to the commercial pilot community in the US. I know of several experienced commercial pilots who are now making a living as $35 an hour private pilot instructors.
 

bd popeye

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When I read that article I was surprised that China a country with 1.3 billion population has only 2000 general aviation pilots. In the US there's over 700,000 general aviation pilots..and I know two of them!...
 

SampanViking

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When I read that article I was surprised that China a country with 1.3 billion population has only 2000 general aviation pilots. In the US there's over 700,000 general aviation pilots..and I know two of them!...

I would guess that this is about the number of pilots "registered" and able to enter into US airspace, rather than the number of Chinese pilots. 2000 would clearly be a bad joke.
 

chuck731

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Why is 2000 ridiculous for china? The first private pilot license was issued in china less than 10 years ago.

General aviation pilots are not commercial pilots. They are qualified private pilots who do not fly for pay. They include people who pilot aircraft purely for enjoyment (gliders, sports flying, etc), or for travel and commuting in their own or rented 2-6 seat piston driven aircraft without remuneration.

Btw, private or general aviation pilots in the us must hold an FAA license. One could not fly in the US as a private or general aviation pilot using any license or certificate issued by a foreign country. If you are not a US citizen, it would be difficult for you to obtain a private or sport pilot license in the US.
 
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Quickie

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Probably not that surprising. 30 years ago how many people in China are driving private cars, maybe a few millions, compared to now of over a hundred million or maybe even 200 million? Same goes with 2 or 4 seater private aircraft. It'll take a while for people to get use to the idea of owning your own aircraft and flying it for transportation or for recreation.
 
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chuck731

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China needs a totally new air space regulation framework to support a large private aviation sector. In the US, >95% of all airspace is open to general aviation. Restricted and denied airspace constitute only a tiny portion of all available air space. In China the situation is reversed, virtually all airspace not used by commerical air traffic is considered military reservation and denied air space. To open up denied airspace for large scale private aviation would be a huge blow to the perogative of the defence ministry.
 

A.Man

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Probably not that surprising. 30 years ago how many people in China are driving private cars, maybe a few millions, compared to now of over a hundred million or maybe even 200 million? Same goes with 2 or 4 seater private aircraft. It'll take a while for people to get use to the idea of owning your own aircraft and flying it for transportation or for recreation.

30 years ago, 1983, none, there was not a single private car in China.
 

rhino123

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30 years ago, 1983, none, there was not a single private car in China.

Bet to differ. In the 1980 to 1990, there are some private cars in China. As if late 1985, China produces 5200 cars and these cars do have owners.
 

mr.bean

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Bet to differ. In the 1980 to 1990, there are some private cars in China. As if late 1985, China produces 5200 cars and these cars do have owners.

think he means private car ownership. back in 1983 no one would really have the money to own a private vehicle. those 5200 cars are mostly owned by various companys or govt depts. I remember one trip I went to china in 1989 and at that time people were transitioning from bicycles to motorcycle. I was visiting my relatives in guangzhou and as an overseas returning Chinese with a foreign passport I was allowed to bring back one fridge and motorcycle and I did that for my distant cousin. I brought back a Honda motorcycle duty free. its simply impossible for westerners to comprehend the kind of changes in china within these short 20 so years. it's even hard for ethnic Chinese folks like us who live outside china to keep abreast of the development even though we understand the language and have multiple bonds to the mainland. that same cousin of mine whom I brought back that Honda motorbike in 1989 today has two cars now, one for his wife, a Honda accord and a supped up greatwall hover suv for himself. and china today is the biggest auto market in the world. GM sells more cars in china today than they do in their home country the united states.
 

rhino123

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think he means private car ownership. back in 1983 no one would really have the money to own a private vehicle. those 5200 cars are mostly owned by various companys or govt depts. I remember one trip I went to china in 1989 and at that time people were transitioning from bicycles to motorcycle. I was visiting my relatives in guangzhou and as an overseas returning Chinese with a foreign passport I was allowed to bring back one fridge and motorcycle and I did that for my distant cousin. I brought back a Honda motorcycle duty free. its simply impossible for westerners to comprehend the kind of changes in china within these short 20 so years. it's even hard for ethnic Chinese folks like us who live outside china to keep abreast of the development even though we understand the language and have multiple bonds to the mainland. that same cousin of mine whom I brought back that Honda motorbike in 1989 today has two cars now, one for his wife, a Honda accord and a supped up greatwall hover suv for himself. and china today is the biggest auto market in the world. GM sells more cars in china today than they do in their home country the united states.

Yes... do some more search... I think domestic vehicles only started to appear after 1985. My bad.
 
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