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I heard that WS-10a already stop to used.
China In Guizhou Province has created - large engines industry base.
here is another news: October 23, China's aviation industry Chang Fei company success delivered to U.S. Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation the first aircraft S-76C - medium-sized helicopter. Its successful delivery is Chang Fei with Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation to work together is another fruit of 15 years, indicating that the two sides all-round strategic cooperation has entered a new stage of development.
China In Guizhou Province has created - large engines industry base.
here is another news: October 23, China's aviation industry Chang Fei company success delivered to U.S. Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation the first aircraft S-76C - medium-sized helicopter. Its successful delivery is Chang Fei with Sikorsky Aircraft Corporation to work together is another fruit of 15 years, indicating that the two sides all-round strategic cooperation has entered a new stage of development.
C919 Detailed design for the first time Exposure: comfort beyond the Boeing 737
Google Translation
C919 designed to establish a "five" of requirements: to ensure the security, outstanding economy, improve reliability, improve comfort, emphasizing environmental protection.
Striving "youngest"
September 8, AsiaAirshow7 stand, a large blue and white aircraft models eye-catching. This is a big eye-aircraft company was founded 16 months since the surrender of the first papers.
By a commitment to civil GreatAircraftDevelopment of heavy commercial aircraft in China limited liability company developed its own model plane named "C919", according to the Chinese deputy general manager of commercial flying large aircraft program chief architect WU Guang-hui of interpretation, C is the first letter of China is China Business flying abbreviation COMAC the first letter of the previous nine meaning everlasting taken, followed by 19 shows that theAirlinerMaximum passenger capacity of 190.
From the 1:10 ratio produced a model of view, about 2 meters more than the fuselage precursors pass white, blue and white tail, tail to grass green and write on the eye-catching "C919".
According to the Chinese business to Shanghai Aircraft Design Institute GUO Bo-chi introduction, C919 aircraft are in shortBusinessMachine, the actualTotal length of 38 meters, wingspan of 33 meters, height of 12 meters, the basic layout for the 168 model. Standard of a range of 4075 kilometers, increasing the range of 5555 kilometersAnd economic life of 90000 flight hours.
The aircraft began last yearDevelopmentPlans by the end of 2014 its maiden flight in 2016 and delivered to the user to obtain a certificate of airworthiness. C919 aircraft's development objective is for the 8-10 years after the civil aviation market to provide a safe, comfortable, energy saving, environmental protection, competitive business in the short-range single-channel transport. Positioning in the market to China as a starting point, taking into account the foreign market, providing multi-level, multi-range products.
The world only the United States, Europe, 4 countries, and Russia that the total take-off weight more than 100 tons of the transport aircraft, including military, civilian large transport aircraft, including more than 150 aircraft trunk. Which occupy the international market, only the United States, Boeing and Europe's Airbus. The past 20 years, China's large aircraft entirely dependent on foreign imports.
Based on detailed design drawings, C919 aircraft length 38.575 meters, a wingspan of 36.077 meters, height of 12.564 meters, and the Boeing B-737, Airbus A-320 is roughly equal size.
As Airbus and Boeing respectively, the first letter "A", "B", China-made large aircraft types to be known as "C919", also shows China's business fly with Airbus and Boeing aircraft manufacturing industry in the international large-scale formation of ABC " tripod, "a new pattern of ambition. The Asian air show, China's commercial flying booth located in Hall 7, the most among the passengers on the left is an empty booth, right next to Boeing.
The majority of lay members have an intuitive sense of C919 and Airbus A320, Boeing 737 similar appearance, but had participated in regional jet ARJ supplier management, General Manager, Guangdong Changsheng Aircraft Design Co., Zhou Ji, he still could see them different.
"The biggest difference in the nose, the traditional head, as well as two from the front side windshield composed of four, while the C919 less side two windshield." Zhou Ji of Health to the "Business Weekly" said that the Chinese-made large aircraft The nose is more streamlined, can reduce the resistance, while the vision of pilots in the cockpit is also more spacious than the traditional nose. From this we can see, China-made large aircraft fuel efficiency and economy will put more stress.
According to Chen Jin, introduction, C919 does have many advantages. C919 from the nose, wings to the tail, engine, both in the design effort, and minimize resistance, effectively reduce fuel consumption.
The use of materials, C919 will be used a lot of advanced composite materials such as aluminum-lithium alloys, titanium, etc., in which the use of composite materials will reach 20%, then through the details of the internal structure of the aircraft design, the weight of the aircraft down compression.
C919 cabin comfort is the primary objective of the design, seating layout in the entire economy class cabin layout, the arrangement "3 +3" the layout of a total of 28 rows, a total of 168, in the mixed layout, arrange business class "2 +2" the layout of a total of 6 row, 24; economy class layout of 22 rows, 132, a total of 156.
At the same time, due to extensive use of composite materials, compared with the same type of foreign aircraft and 80 dB of cabin noise, C919 will be reduced cabin noise below 60 decibels.
Emissions reduction, C919 will be a green emissions and adapt to environmental requirements of advanced aircraft, through the environmental protection design concept is expected to aircraft carbon emissions reduced by 50% compared with the same aircraft.
Speaking of the cabin passengers are most concerned about the environment, Chen Jin said, comfort is the primary objective of C919 cabin design. Cabin seating layout will use the single-channel, three on each side, in which the middle-seat space will widen, thus effectively easing the past, take the middle seat passenger crowded feeling.
In addition, C919 aircraft will be compared with similar foreign aircraft cabin size increased, increasing the height of the luggage compartment location.
Chen Chin-view, because of China's purchasing costs and manufacturing costs than Boeing and Airbus companies is low, Chinese-made large aircraft will be the first aircraft, "Boeing and Airbus would surely be much cheaper the same model."
"China's domestic market is sufficient to meet China's demand for large aircraft sales, so we do not hurry the development of foreign markets, but sooner or later, China's large aircraft will enter the European and U.S. aviation market." He said.
This means that in the fast-growing Chinese aviation market, Boeing and Airbus will face more intense competition. Boeing recently released 2009 market outlook, in order to cope with challenges and competition that may arise, in particular, proposed to increase the intensity of the 737 technology upgrades to further increase fuel efficiency.
For the passengers, C919 aircraft and B737, A320 The biggest difference is the cabin sizes increase, the economy class passengers can enjoy business class passenger comfort.
Engine go hand in hand
Despite China's high-profile launch of commercial flying C919 prototype, but as chief designer of the WU Guang-hui continues to be extremely low-key. In an interview with "Business Week" interview, he has always refused to evaluate the prototype, but said the large aircraft development is progressing well.
For WU Guang-hui, the more special significance are the C919 prototype model show a week before the first day.
At 9:30 on September 1, C919 aircraft nose large prototype aircraft in the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Co., Ltd. started production. WU Guang-hui introduction, head length 7.9 meters wide and 3.96 meters, 4.16 meters high, including the radar cabin, cockpit, toilet, kitchen as well as the cockpit, is expected to deliver by year's end.
Cheng Fei, according to the persons concerned, at present, C919 nose engineering sample of large passenger aircraft project is on schedule to carry out the work, components will be conducted in mid-October opening riveting, is expected to deliver by the end of December this year in Shanghai, in September next year, the prototype is expected in Shanghai, external public display. In addition, from 2014 onwards, a large aircraft flying into the nose of years of manufacturing capacity will reach 10.
However, this does not mean that China's own big aircraft projects have made substantial progress.
"In fact the production of the prototype into a flying head is just a shell." CNAC industry insider who asked not to be named, told the "Business Weekly", large aircraft, the current basic program, the concept has been out, but a lot of the design of specific Details are still more than the election, we need to build up structure after the final determination, made the production of prototype flying the main purpose of the nose is used to coordinate the layout.
According to the person in charge, the current head are used in conventional materials, not composite materials, and no suppliers to participate. For the C919 model, he said, made such a model is mainly to provide public information, technical process is actually very easy.
Their "business in China, the primary task of flying in front, or the choice of suppliers." The person in charge said.
Now completed its first flight of the regional jet ARJ21-700, in the engine, electronic control systems and other key components, since the domestic product is temporarily not meet the technical requirements, the localization rate is very low. The Chinese once said Zhang Qingwei, general manager of commercial flying large aircraft program to maximize the localization rate.
Indeed, many domestic companies from large aircraft, assigned to a piece of the project.
In addition to the nose section manufactured by the Chengdu Aircraft, Hongdu Aviation Industry Group's commitment to the first large aircraft fuselage, aft fuselage body structure in the manufacture, XAC has won in the fuselage (including the Central Wing), outer warily boxes (with a fixed pre - post-edge), flaps, trailing edge flaps, leading edge slats, spoilers and other six work packages, Shen Fei Mi will fly with the Chinese supplier to design and cooperation, and Hafei will provide a composite body , Chang received a share of the small flying wing spoiler and other parts of the development and production tasks.
However, constrained by lack of domestic manufacturing capacity, largeAircraftA large number of manufacturing sectors still need to resort to a global package, especially the engine.
This year in January,CNACCommercial Aircraft Engine Co., Ltd. formally established in Shanghai with registered capital of 60 billion yuan, the China Aviation Industry Corporation as the controlling shareholder, accounting for 40% stake in Shanghai Electric (Group) Corporation and Shanghai Guosheng (Group) Co., Ltd. as the equity shareholders of investor a 15% stake each. Company's business include civil aircraft, engines and related products design,Development, Production, sales, maintenance, service, technology development and technology consulting. This indicates that, following General Electric, Rolls - Royce, and the three major aircraft engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney, the Chinese enterprises have also begun to impact the large-scaleAirlinerEngine project.
However, due to time constraints, China's large aircraft project at the initial stage will certainly use foreign engines. At present, the Pratt & Whitney, General Electric and France's Snecma joint venture CFM and CNACGroupTogether, become a major aircraft engine and related power plant supplier candidates. It is understood that this year will be finalized before the end of the final supplier.
Flying in commercial aircraft engines, said Zhang Jian, general manager, domestic-made large aircraft engine when loading commenced commercial supply, depending on customer demand. Issued by the shipping companies goal is not only providing products for the China-made large aircraft, but also a variety of aircraft for domestic and foreign manufacturers of products. Variety on the plane, in addition to 150 aircraft, will also meet the executive jets, dual-channel 250 large aircraft, regional aircraft, civil helicopters, propeller aircraft needs. At present, shipping companies made the first developed with independent intellectual property rights 3200 kilograms thrust on the Richter scale bypass ratio turbofan engine prototype is expected to be completed by the end of this year, this can be used for a new boat engine turboprop regional aircraft and business jet family.
Orders for the C919 issue, Chen Jin appeared to be very cautious, he was "Business Weekly" said, C919 progress and the development of new aircraft orders for the world's an unbreakable connection between the production volume will be in accordance with market demand, the model at the current Asian is only a preliminary prototype of an open air show, order the question premature.
Google Translation
C919 designed to establish a "five" of requirements: to ensure the security, outstanding economy, improve reliability, improve comfort, emphasizing environmental protection.
Striving "youngest"
September 8, AsiaAirshow7 stand, a large blue and white aircraft models eye-catching. This is a big eye-aircraft company was founded 16 months since the surrender of the first papers.
By a commitment to civil GreatAircraftDevelopment of heavy commercial aircraft in China limited liability company developed its own model plane named "C919", according to the Chinese deputy general manager of commercial flying large aircraft program chief architect WU Guang-hui of interpretation, C is the first letter of China is China Business flying abbreviation COMAC the first letter of the previous nine meaning everlasting taken, followed by 19 shows that theAirlinerMaximum passenger capacity of 190.
From the 1:10 ratio produced a model of view, about 2 meters more than the fuselage precursors pass white, blue and white tail, tail to grass green and write on the eye-catching "C919".
According to the Chinese business to Shanghai Aircraft Design Institute GUO Bo-chi introduction, C919 aircraft are in shortBusinessMachine, the actualTotal length of 38 meters, wingspan of 33 meters, height of 12 meters, the basic layout for the 168 model. Standard of a range of 4075 kilometers, increasing the range of 5555 kilometersAnd economic life of 90000 flight hours.
The aircraft began last yearDevelopmentPlans by the end of 2014 its maiden flight in 2016 and delivered to the user to obtain a certificate of airworthiness. C919 aircraft's development objective is for the 8-10 years after the civil aviation market to provide a safe, comfortable, energy saving, environmental protection, competitive business in the short-range single-channel transport. Positioning in the market to China as a starting point, taking into account the foreign market, providing multi-level, multi-range products.
The world only the United States, Europe, 4 countries, and Russia that the total take-off weight more than 100 tons of the transport aircraft, including military, civilian large transport aircraft, including more than 150 aircraft trunk. Which occupy the international market, only the United States, Boeing and Europe's Airbus. The past 20 years, China's large aircraft entirely dependent on foreign imports.
Based on detailed design drawings, C919 aircraft length 38.575 meters, a wingspan of 36.077 meters, height of 12.564 meters, and the Boeing B-737, Airbus A-320 is roughly equal size.
As Airbus and Boeing respectively, the first letter "A", "B", China-made large aircraft types to be known as "C919", also shows China's business fly with Airbus and Boeing aircraft manufacturing industry in the international large-scale formation of ABC " tripod, "a new pattern of ambition. The Asian air show, China's commercial flying booth located in Hall 7, the most among the passengers on the left is an empty booth, right next to Boeing.
The majority of lay members have an intuitive sense of C919 and Airbus A320, Boeing 737 similar appearance, but had participated in regional jet ARJ supplier management, General Manager, Guangdong Changsheng Aircraft Design Co., Zhou Ji, he still could see them different.
"The biggest difference in the nose, the traditional head, as well as two from the front side windshield composed of four, while the C919 less side two windshield." Zhou Ji of Health to the "Business Weekly" said that the Chinese-made large aircraft The nose is more streamlined, can reduce the resistance, while the vision of pilots in the cockpit is also more spacious than the traditional nose. From this we can see, China-made large aircraft fuel efficiency and economy will put more stress.
According to Chen Jin, introduction, C919 does have many advantages. C919 from the nose, wings to the tail, engine, both in the design effort, and minimize resistance, effectively reduce fuel consumption.
The use of materials, C919 will be used a lot of advanced composite materials such as aluminum-lithium alloys, titanium, etc., in which the use of composite materials will reach 20%, then through the details of the internal structure of the aircraft design, the weight of the aircraft down compression.
C919 cabin comfort is the primary objective of the design, seating layout in the entire economy class cabin layout, the arrangement "3 +3" the layout of a total of 28 rows, a total of 168, in the mixed layout, arrange business class "2 +2" the layout of a total of 6 row, 24; economy class layout of 22 rows, 132, a total of 156.
At the same time, due to extensive use of composite materials, compared with the same type of foreign aircraft and 80 dB of cabin noise, C919 will be reduced cabin noise below 60 decibels.
Emissions reduction, C919 will be a green emissions and adapt to environmental requirements of advanced aircraft, through the environmental protection design concept is expected to aircraft carbon emissions reduced by 50% compared with the same aircraft.
Speaking of the cabin passengers are most concerned about the environment, Chen Jin said, comfort is the primary objective of C919 cabin design. Cabin seating layout will use the single-channel, three on each side, in which the middle-seat space will widen, thus effectively easing the past, take the middle seat passenger crowded feeling.
In addition, C919 aircraft will be compared with similar foreign aircraft cabin size increased, increasing the height of the luggage compartment location.
Chen Chin-view, because of China's purchasing costs and manufacturing costs than Boeing and Airbus companies is low, Chinese-made large aircraft will be the first aircraft, "Boeing and Airbus would surely be much cheaper the same model."
"China's domestic market is sufficient to meet China's demand for large aircraft sales, so we do not hurry the development of foreign markets, but sooner or later, China's large aircraft will enter the European and U.S. aviation market." He said.
This means that in the fast-growing Chinese aviation market, Boeing and Airbus will face more intense competition. Boeing recently released 2009 market outlook, in order to cope with challenges and competition that may arise, in particular, proposed to increase the intensity of the 737 technology upgrades to further increase fuel efficiency.
For the passengers, C919 aircraft and B737, A320 The biggest difference is the cabin sizes increase, the economy class passengers can enjoy business class passenger comfort.
Engine go hand in hand
Despite China's high-profile launch of commercial flying C919 prototype, but as chief designer of the WU Guang-hui continues to be extremely low-key. In an interview with "Business Week" interview, he has always refused to evaluate the prototype, but said the large aircraft development is progressing well.
For WU Guang-hui, the more special significance are the C919 prototype model show a week before the first day.
At 9:30 on September 1, C919 aircraft nose large prototype aircraft in the Chengdu Aircraft Industry Co., Ltd. started production. WU Guang-hui introduction, head length 7.9 meters wide and 3.96 meters, 4.16 meters high, including the radar cabin, cockpit, toilet, kitchen as well as the cockpit, is expected to deliver by year's end.
Cheng Fei, according to the persons concerned, at present, C919 nose engineering sample of large passenger aircraft project is on schedule to carry out the work, components will be conducted in mid-October opening riveting, is expected to deliver by the end of December this year in Shanghai, in September next year, the prototype is expected in Shanghai, external public display. In addition, from 2014 onwards, a large aircraft flying into the nose of years of manufacturing capacity will reach 10.
However, this does not mean that China's own big aircraft projects have made substantial progress.
"In fact the production of the prototype into a flying head is just a shell." CNAC industry insider who asked not to be named, told the "Business Weekly", large aircraft, the current basic program, the concept has been out, but a lot of the design of specific Details are still more than the election, we need to build up structure after the final determination, made the production of prototype flying the main purpose of the nose is used to coordinate the layout.
According to the person in charge, the current head are used in conventional materials, not composite materials, and no suppliers to participate. For the C919 model, he said, made such a model is mainly to provide public information, technical process is actually very easy.
Their "business in China, the primary task of flying in front, or the choice of suppliers." The person in charge said.
Now completed its first flight of the regional jet ARJ21-700, in the engine, electronic control systems and other key components, since the domestic product is temporarily not meet the technical requirements, the localization rate is very low. The Chinese once said Zhang Qingwei, general manager of commercial flying large aircraft program to maximize the localization rate.
Indeed, many domestic companies from large aircraft, assigned to a piece of the project.
In addition to the nose section manufactured by the Chengdu Aircraft, Hongdu Aviation Industry Group's commitment to the first large aircraft fuselage, aft fuselage body structure in the manufacture, XAC has won in the fuselage (including the Central Wing), outer warily boxes (with a fixed pre - post-edge), flaps, trailing edge flaps, leading edge slats, spoilers and other six work packages, Shen Fei Mi will fly with the Chinese supplier to design and cooperation, and Hafei will provide a composite body , Chang received a share of the small flying wing spoiler and other parts of the development and production tasks.
However, constrained by lack of domestic manufacturing capacity, largeAircraftA large number of manufacturing sectors still need to resort to a global package, especially the engine.
This year in January,CNACCommercial Aircraft Engine Co., Ltd. formally established in Shanghai with registered capital of 60 billion yuan, the China Aviation Industry Corporation as the controlling shareholder, accounting for 40% stake in Shanghai Electric (Group) Corporation and Shanghai Guosheng (Group) Co., Ltd. as the equity shareholders of investor a 15% stake each. Company's business include civil aircraft, engines and related products design,Development, Production, sales, maintenance, service, technology development and technology consulting. This indicates that, following General Electric, Rolls - Royce, and the three major aircraft engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney, the Chinese enterprises have also begun to impact the large-scaleAirlinerEngine project.
However, due to time constraints, China's large aircraft project at the initial stage will certainly use foreign engines. At present, the Pratt & Whitney, General Electric and France's Snecma joint venture CFM and CNACGroupTogether, become a major aircraft engine and related power plant supplier candidates. It is understood that this year will be finalized before the end of the final supplier.
Flying in commercial aircraft engines, said Zhang Jian, general manager, domestic-made large aircraft engine when loading commenced commercial supply, depending on customer demand. Issued by the shipping companies goal is not only providing products for the China-made large aircraft, but also a variety of aircraft for domestic and foreign manufacturers of products. Variety on the plane, in addition to 150 aircraft, will also meet the executive jets, dual-channel 250 large aircraft, regional aircraft, civil helicopters, propeller aircraft needs. At present, shipping companies made the first developed with independent intellectual property rights 3200 kilograms thrust on the Richter scale bypass ratio turbofan engine prototype is expected to be completed by the end of this year, this can be used for a new boat engine turboprop regional aircraft and business jet family.
Orders for the C919 issue, Chen Jin appeared to be very cautious, he was "Business Weekly" said, C919 progress and the development of new aircraft orders for the world's an unbreakable connection between the production volume will be in accordance with market demand, the model at the current Asian is only a preliminary prototype of an open air show, order the question premature.
Asymptote
Banned Idiot
I was just thinking from the discussion of another thread :
Now, what kind of aircrafts are China developing and producing today??
The latest focus is still improving J-8, a 2nd/3rd generation fighter that's 40+ years old (and 50+ years old from western standard).
The latest export to Pakistan the JF-17 / FC-1 is at best a 4th generation fighter in the same class as F-16, but more likely 3rd generation fighter in the same class as Northrop F-5...
And China is still developing the J-11B!!
It is plenty obvious to every logical/sensible observer to come to the conclusion - China is still technologically/infrastructurally/institutionally far behind the west and Russia by atleast 30+ YEARS in aviation (in the space arena? 50+ years).
I will say it again, at the most optimistic projection - China will have 5th generation fighter by 2030 or later. The AVIC will continue its development at a snail pace - "polishing" and SUPERFICIALLY IMPROVING the J-10, J-11B (probably putting DSI and other superficial crap that actually decrease the performance) until its finally "on par" with the original design they were cloning/"inspired" from (J-10 : F-16/IAI Lavi/Eurofighter Typhoon; J-11B: Su-27/Su-30/Su-35/Su-37).
I am willing to bet AVIC doesn't even have a blueprint of "5th generation" fighter on their table even right now - and it won't until 2020 or later. It will have to wait until it digested the lesson from 3rd/4th generation, and learn from video and abroad the Russian/American 5th generation before it can even try to attempt on its own.
To Rhino123 : This is what I am asking you :
Now, what kind of aircrafts are China developing and producing today??
Now, what kind of aircrafts are China developing and producing today??
The latest focus is still improving J-8, a 2nd/3rd generation fighter that's 40+ years old (and 50+ years old from western standard).
The latest export to Pakistan the JF-17 / FC-1 is at best a 4th generation fighter in the same class as F-16, but more likely 3rd generation fighter in the same class as Northrop F-5...
And China is still developing the J-11B!!
It is plenty obvious to every logical/sensible observer to come to the conclusion - China is still technologically/infrastructurally/institutionally far behind the west and Russia by atleast 30+ YEARS in aviation (in the space arena? 50+ years).
I will say it again, at the most optimistic projection - China will have 5th generation fighter by 2030 or later. The AVIC will continue its development at a snail pace - "polishing" and SUPERFICIALLY IMPROVING the J-10, J-11B (probably putting DSI and other superficial crap that actually decrease the performance) until its finally "on par" with the original design they were cloning/"inspired" from (J-10 : F-16/IAI Lavi/Eurofighter Typhoon; J-11B: Su-27/Su-30/Su-35/Su-37).
I am willing to bet AVIC doesn't even have a blueprint of "5th generation" fighter on their table even right now - and it won't until 2020 or later. It will have to wait until it digested the lesson from 3rd/4th generation, and learn from video and abroad the Russian/American 5th generation before it can even try to attempt on its own.
To Rhino123 : This is what I am asking you :
Now, what kind of aircrafts are China developing and producing today??
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Since this thread is carry forward from another thread, I will repost my question to you,
I am very interested in the following,
1) What was your assessment based on? Do you actually have insider info into Chinese aerospace industries?
2) What is your basis for J-10 being clone/inspired of or whatever you chose to call for F16/IAI lavi/Eurofighter?
3) I am not seeing any reference in your post, just alot of your own assessment, and unless you are a credible source yourself, whatever you say is just wishful thinking.
4) and base on what did you say that everything put on the existing aircraft are crap and would decrease the performance of the aircraft?
Is it because it is just China that is doing those things and so it must be lousy?
And as to your questions to me,
Developed and produced (past) - J7, J8
Developed and produced (recent)- J-10, JH-7
License produce: J11
developing: J-XX, J11B, J15, various unmanned vehicles
Co-developement project - FC-1
Not to mention a number of trainers, and light fighters like the JL-9, L-15, etc.
Asymptote
Banned Idiot
Regarding your question if I am bias about the improvement made by China and production capabilities and reliabilities - I was referring to the DSI which aerodynamically only works optimally in certain condition - as the word 'aero-dynamic" already imply the air is dynamically changing condition! The shaping of DSI only worsen its aerodynamic performance (a cost trade off for the engine face to be hidden from radar signature return). China will do 'studies' to various airframe configurations, but judging from the current research, it seems China is still very limiting in its research and development. (Look at US/Russian aerospace development for example - Su-series and F-series and X-Series)
Another thing I found it astounding is the absurd assertion from the Chinese press that "China's AVIC will "break" the Boeing/Airbus "duopoly".... something that's so laughable I can't believe it myself.
China's aerospace industry is still largely in its INFANCY...compare to the titans of the west. China can't even dream of comparing itself to the likes Brazil's Embraer which is third largest aircraft manufacturer in the world! Let's not forget Tupolev, BAE, Gulfstream, SAAB...etc etc.
Talk about SAAB, that reminds me China has heaps of catchup to do - It can't even compare to Sweden (SAAB Gripen) ! A tiny country with a small population. There are also the French Dassault Aviation (Mirage/Rafale) etc..
Another thing I found it astounding is the absurd assertion from the Chinese press that "China's AVIC will "break" the Boeing/Airbus "duopoly".... something that's so laughable I can't believe it myself.
China's aerospace industry is still largely in its INFANCY...compare to the titans of the west. China can't even dream of comparing itself to the likes Brazil's Embraer which is third largest aircraft manufacturer in the world! Let's not forget Tupolev, BAE, Gulfstream, SAAB...etc etc.
Talk about SAAB, that reminds me China has heaps of catchup to do - It can't even compare to Sweden (SAAB Gripen) ! A tiny country with a small population. There are also the French Dassault Aviation (Mirage/Rafale) etc..
Please take your time to read posts of others before making a thread.
You are a lost boy!
Asymptote
Banned Idiot
Regarding your first 4 questions - which is mostly about my credentials - this is the internet I can say whatever the credential I want to make you believe, but that's not truthful and it doesn't contribute to this discussion at all.
I will just say, FC-1 is probably the most recent indigenous design/manufactured Chinese/Pakistan fighter aircraft I have seen. The design speaks for itself - it is the design that China/Pakistan is most comfortable in making.
It shows the level of technological capability that China is currently capable of designing. And from performance point of view - and I take the most conservative estimate here - its more like F-5E then F16. Why? Because what makes F-16 a F-16 and not a F-5E is the avionics, the refinement in airframe and aerodynamics, and all round refinements - And Pakistan actually wants to gut all the avionics out of FC-1 and replace with European Avionics - which makes only the airframe that's actually from China - and the airframe looks more like F-5E than F16!
And let's put it this way, if you are going to put into an aircraft of your choosing - would you choose FC-1/J-10 or SAAB Gripen or Dassault Rafale?
Do you see how much of generational gap between them?? (remember Gripen and Rafale were developed almost 20+ years ago)
And what generation would you class FC-1 in? In all honesty and fairness? (comparing to the likes of F-5E, F16, Gripen and Rafale)
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