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Y-8 for Venezuela

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Venezuela has ordered 12 x Y-8 aircraft, but looking at this model it looks like the older version

the platform Pakistan got for its ZDK-03 AWACS is much more advanced and looks more like a Y-9/8 hybrid, Venezuela should have ordered this one rather than the basic Y-8, Chinas new MPA also looks like the Y-9/8 hybrid same as Pakistans
 

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Venezuela has ordered 12 x Y-8 aircraft, but looking at this model it looks like the older version

the platform Pakistan got for its ZDK-03 AWACS is much more advanced and looks more like a Y-9/8 hybrid, Venezuela should have ordered this one rather than the basic Y-8, Chinas new MPA also looks like the Y-9/8 hybrid same as Pakistans


It also depends on the budget and needs that Venezuela required at this time of peace. They are in no rush to purchase anything more advanced than the one's Pakistan has, because they don't have an immediate enemy or rival to worry about.
 

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What is the payload of venezuela Y-8? I think they will be more concern of payload than advancement handling of it.
 

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On August 10, Yuan Zhipeng, test pilot from AVIC Flight Test Center and Zhao Zhiqiang, test pilot from the Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) flew the Chinese-made ARJ21-700 regional jet and finished the very first fuel system hot weather operation flight test.

Hot fuel flight test is conducted by adding the pre-heated fuel (60 degrees) and the normal-temperature fuel into the left and right aircraft tanks respectively. Airplane will be tested for maximum flight level under both normal and suction fuel supply conditions. It's a subject that can test the fuel system liability with a hot fuel condition
 

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On Aug. 31, the "Ceremony for the Presentation of the 100th Aircraft Assembled by Airbus (Tianjin) Final Assembly Company" was grandly held in Tianjin. Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao and visiting German Chancellor Angela Merkel attended the ceremony and delivered speeches.

The 100th Airbus A320 aircraft assembled in Tianjin will be delivered to Air China.

Officially opened on September 28, 2008, Airbus (Tianjin) Final Assembly Company is the first Airbus final assembly line to operate outside of Europe. This production site for A320 Family aircraft is a joint venture between Airbus and a Chinese consortium of Tianjin Free Trade Zone (TJFTZ) and China Aviation Industry Corporation (AVIC).

As of today, Airbus has delivered 96 A320 Family jetliners assembled by Airbus (Tianjin) Final Assembly Company to Chinese airlines.
 

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The 2012 AOPA-China Fly-in event has kicked off in Shenyang, capital of Northeast China’s Liaoning province. Organized by the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association of China, the show is aimed at finding a way at opening up China’s low-altitude airspace.

The AOPA Fly-in event, a gathering of aircraft, pilots and fans from all over the world, is being held in China for the first time.


Originally created in the US, America’s Fly-in conventions ask planes involved to fly directly into the event’s host city. But because China’s airspace below 1,000 meters is off limits to non-governmental or commercial aircraft, 16 aircraft have to be detached and transported on the ground.

Liu Liancheng, flight director, said, “We won’t have a real Fly-in until the low-altitude airspace is open. If that happens, I could fly anywhere, I wouldn’t have to fill out complicated applications and I could take responsibility for my own safety. But now we are not there yet. ”

China’s low-altitude airspace is controlled by the Air Force and the Civil Aviation Administration of China. Private flights, a major part of general aviation, currently need to go through intricate and time-consuming procedures to fly in low-altitude airspace.

Shen Haiqing, general director, said, “People will get a better understanding of general aviation after this Fly-in, see what the event requires and what regulations the pilots should abide by. It will help to accelerate the opening up of low-altitude airspace. ”

China’s general aviation, especially private planes, has a huge market potential. The opening up of the low-altitude airspace could bring about a boom in China’s general aviation industry, which could in turn fuel the country’s economic growth.
 

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ince its entry into the Chinese market in 1995, the A320 Family aircraft have gained widespread popularity among aviation enterprises and passengers in China. Meanwhile, the A320 Family's fleet size in China has been rising rapidly. It is learned that the customers or users of the A320 Family aircraft involve traditional airlines, low-cost airlines, air charter companies and aviation leasing companies.

"Although the A320 Family aircraft have been introduced to China for less than 20 years, they account for nearly 50% market shares among the over 100-seat single-aisle planes."
said an insider from the Airbus S.A.S.

Currently, over 60% in-service aircraft among the A320 fleet in China are operated by the big three airlines - Air China, China Eastern and China Southern.

Apart from the appreciation from traditional airlines, the A320 Family aircraft are also the top consideration of China's booming low-cost airline and leasing companies. Spring Airlines -- China's first budget airline -- has made full use of the A320 Family aircraft's potentialities. Spring Airlines Chairman Wang Zhenghua spoke highly of the aircraft, "Compared with planes of the same level, the A320 Family aircraft provide airlines with the lowest operation cost and offer passengers the most comfortable flight experience."

Besides the A320 Family aircraft, its derivatives -- Airbus corporate jets (ACJ) -- are broadly welcomed by Chinese business jet companies and private customers.

Among the A320 Family members, Airbus A320 is the most favored by Chinese customers, while other members like A319 and A321 have seen rapid growth as well due to Chinese aviation's fast expansion over recent years. As of the end of July 2012, Chinese airlines were operating 160 A319s and 136 A321s in total.


Especially, over 85% commercial flights flying from and to Tibet are operated by Airbus planes, most of which are A319s. Therefore, the A319 aircraft has been hailed as the "plateau Eagle" or "Prince of the plateau".

The A321 aircraft is longer than the A320, with configuration of two-layer cabins that can accommodate 185 passengers, up to 220 for a high-density layout.
 
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Russian President Vladimir Putin announced at the APEC summit that Russia and China are studying the possibilities of manufacturing large cargo helicopter and wide-body aircraft together, reported by the Voice of Russia.

Purin introduced that the helicopter will be designed to carry 20 tons of cargo. The enterprise might be established at some helicopter base in Russia.

"Chinese partners have expressed their expectation of developing this new generation helicopter together with us. We have been engaged in working on this. Besides, we are also considering manufacturing this type of aircraft in the Far East Area." said Putin.

He added that Russia is now coordinating with Chinese partners on the issues of manufacturing wide-body aircraft. He said, "We know that this is a difficult mission. The market is actually dominated by the two giant plane manufacturers in Europe and America. But we should strive to find our own position through fair and honest competition."
 

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Bombardier Inc, the world's No. 3 aircraft maker, thinks Chinese executive jet buyers will take delivery of 2,400 new planes in the next 20 years. All China needs now is pilots to fly them, mechanics to fix them, and airports to land them.

With fewer than 200 private jets for a population of 1.3 billion people, China's growth potential is huge. But reams of red tape, snarled-up air space and a shortage of trained pilots suggest it won't live up to the promise any time soon.


The private jet potential has caught the attention of some big-name investors. Warren Buffett's NetJets made the world's largest order of executive jets in June in a deal worth US$9.6 billion, months after it announced a China venture with private equity firm Hony Capital.

China is forecast to take delivery of about 100 business jets this year. Before they can fly, buyers need to secure an Air Operator's Certificate from the country's aviation regulator or a management company that has already been granted one. Then the jet owner has to wait for an import licence.

"The process you have to go through to get the importation approval has to be signed off by nine departments," said Jeffrey Lowe, general manager of Asian Sky Group, a business aviation consulting firm.

Private jet ownership was illegal in China until 2003, and the aviation regulator has been slow to process paperwork for new operators. About 80 are awaiting certificates, with only up to 20 expected to get one in the next three years, taking the total number of business jet operator certificates in China to 30 by the end of 2015, under the regulator's working plan.

The Civil Aviation Administration of China, or CAAC, has also capped at 12 the number of jets that can be imported annually by each certificate holder. Most of the existing 10-12 holders are new to the industry and lack sufficient skilled staff to take their full quota.


China had just 180 airports as of the end of 2011, and the powerful military controls 70 percent of its air space, leaving limited room to navigate and land planes.

Then there is the matter of finding people trained to fly and maintain them. Boeing Co estimates China will need 71,300 pilots and 99,400 technicians in the next 20 years to handle a growing commercial fleet.

Ambitious Targets


Boeing said on Wednesday that China would need 5,260 new airplanes by 2031, although that figure covers larger aircraft normally flown by commercial airlines.

For the business jet market alone, Bombardier expects China will take delivery of 1,000 aircraft from 2012-2021 and a further 1,400 in the following decade.

Another airplane maker, Embraer SA, thinks China will need 635, or US$21 billion worth, of new executive jets over the next 10 years.

Swiss-based Vistajet, which signed a deal in March with Air China Ltd's private jet arm, Beijing Airlines, hopes to get approval to fly one of its jets from China in the first half of 2013 on its Chinese partner's certificate.

NetJets, which is owned by Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc , did not respond to requests for comment on this story.

But some industry analysts think expectations are running a bit too high because of the shortage of skilled staff, slow development of infrastructure and the government's reluctance to hand out operator certificates.


"The giddy aviation-company lemmings who rushed into China should now trim their near-term expectations," said business aviation market analyst Brian Foley, of Brian Foley Associates.

"Although the China region provided a steady sales stream of large and expensive jets at the height of the world economic downturn, we see that trend rapidly losing steam."

Foley expects China will account for 3-4 percent of global business jet deliveries over the next decade, or less than half of the more than 10 percent forecast by Canada's Bombardier.

A slowing economy also casts doubt on short-term growth prospects.

Zhou Xiaozhou, marketing manager of Shenzhen-based business jet operator Donghai Jet Co Ltd, said corporate clients were cutting back on overseas trips.

"Our business has slowed a lot this year and (is) likely to be just half of that in 2011, due to the weak global economy and increased competition," Zhou said.

At least one industry executive welcomes a bit of doubt about China's potential. "Sure there is scepticism and I think it's helpful because it brings sanity to projections,"
said Ernest Edwards, the head of Embraer's executive aviation division.
 
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