Chinese Aviation Industry

Michael90

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They dont want aircraft to be the primary mode of medium range transport. From a geopolitical perspective this makes sense. You dont wanna rely on the Americans or the Europeans not banning servicing and repair parts for your aircraft and paralyzing a large amount of passenger traffic. (See Russia)
I think that can still be achieved without giving barely 20% of airspace to civil aviation industry and causing such ridiculous delays which can be avoided. I think there are other reasons for this than you mentioned. Since i believe there are other ways they can avoid this happening without limiting civil aircafts from flying and encuring such economoc loses to the country from such long delays. Its ridiculous.
They can just for example limit the number of flights , after almost all China's major airlines are state controlled/state owned and so follow government rules/orders. So they can easily avoid what you mentioned without need for limiting airspace for civil aircrafts to such an extent.
 

pevade

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I think that can still be achieved without giving barely 20% of airspace to civil aviation industry and causing such ridiculous delays which can be avoided. I think there are other reasons for this than you mentioned. Since i believe there are other ways they can avoid this happening without limiting civil aircafts from flying and encuring such economoc loses to the country from such long delays. Its ridiculous.
Yeah well, nothing I can do about it. It doesn't seem like this policy is about to change soon.

They can just for example limit the number of flights , after almost all China's major airlines are state controlled/state owned and so follow government rules/orders. So they can easily avoid what you mentioned without need for limiting airspace for civil aircrafts to such an extent.
In such cases the way the CPC operates is that they give private and state owned (and provincial owned ex: Sichuan Airlines) companies a regulated sandbox to compete against each other so that everyone goes by the capitalist principles without requiring absurdly convoluted rules and to minimize bureaucracy. Adding hard limits like 500 flights per day is only going to degrade the market and cause airlines to start complaining.
 

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An aerial drone photo taken on Nov. 30, 2023 shows a view of the Boeing Tianjin Composites Co., Ltd. in north China's Tianjin Municipality. The Phase III expansion project of the Boeing Tianjin Composites Co., Ltd., plane maker Boeing's first joint venture in China, was officially put into operation on Friday. (Xinhua)

TIANJIN, April 13 (Xinhua) -- The Phase III expansion project of the Boeing Tianjin Composites Co., Ltd., plane maker Boeing's first joint venture in China, was officially put into operation on Friday.

The project is expected to double the production capacity of the Tianjin plant, according to Boeing. The expansion was launched in the original factory area in 2019.

With a total floor area of about 58,000 square meters, the new facility can also provide more space for the assembling work involving more high-end and complex parts.

"Boeing is very proud of the partnership that we have built with China over more than half a century," said Brendan Nelson, senior vice president of the Boeing Company and president of Boeing Global.

"We are committed to China for the next 50 years," said Nelson, adding that Boeing will continue cooperation in China in a wide range of fields, including composites manufacturing, research, training, completion and delivery center, and sustainability.

Established in 1999, Boeing Tianjin Composites Co., Ltd. is the largest production base of composite materials in the Boeing supply chain in China. Its products cover all Boeing aircraft models.

Since China received the first batch of Boeing 707 aircraft in 1973, Boeing has delivered more than 2,000 aircraft to Chinese customers. Meanwhile, more than 10,000 Boeing aircraft use parts and components are made in China.
 

lcloo

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In 2023, Beijing Daxing International Airport impressively handled a total of 39.4 million passengers. This bustling airport, which opened just four years ago, has been steadily adding to its passenger count. Additionally, in terms of air traffic during the same year, the airport managed a total of 290,000 inbound and outbound services across 30 different destinations, including China’s Special Administrative Regions, Hong Kong (HKG) and Macao (MFM). Notably, over 2 million departures and arrivals occurred through its entry-exit port in 2023, with more than a quarter of this figure originating from the surrounding areas of Beijing, Hebei, and Tianjin.

As for 2024, specific passenger projections are not available in the provided information. However, it’s worth noting that the first phase of development for Beijing Daxing was designed to handle up to 72 million passengers and two million tonnes of freight. The airport’s ultimate capacity was planned to be even higher, with the potential to accommodate 120 to 200 million passengers annually. If fully utilized, this would make it the world’s busiest airport by passenger traffic, surpassing Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport.

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lcloo

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Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport (IATA: CAN, ICAO: ZGGG) is an international airport serving Guangzhou, the capital of South Central China’s Guangdong province. Baiyun Airport serves as a hub for China Southern Airlines, FedEx Express, 9 Air, Hainan Airlines, and Shenzhen Airlines. In 2021, it was the world’s eighth-busiest airport by passenger traffic, handling 40.2 million passengers, making it the busiest airport outside the United States and the busiest in China. As for cargo traffic, the airport was China’s second-busiest and the second-busiest airport worldwide in terms of aircraft movements.

The current airport, which opened on August 5, 2004, is located in the outskirts of Guangzhou’s Baiyun District and Huadu District. It replaced the 72-year-old identically named former airport, which is now closed. The airport boasts three runways:

Runway 01/19: 3,600 meters (11,811 feet) long, made of concrete.
Runway 02L/20R: 3,800 meters (12,467 feet) long, also made of concrete.
Runway 02R/20L: Another 3,800 meters (12,467 feet) long, constructed with concrete.

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henrik

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I thought that was the argument for A380. There will be some demand but is that enough to justify the huge capital expenditure?

What are the destination from china that a c939 could fly but not c929?

Wouldn't it make more sense for c929 to be like a350? A330 is an old design.

Why is Singapore still flying the A380 when it is a smaller aviation market?
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Why is Singapore still flying the A380 when it is a smaller aviation market?
Most of their services cover long range international flights. NY, Sydney, Hong Kong, Delhi , Mumbai, London, Tokyo and Auckland to and from Singapore. These are high value high demand city pairs with a single airport hub to serve its the same story as Emerites airline just with more ocean than sand.
 

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An aerial drone photo taken on Nov. 30, 2023 shows a view of the Boeing Tianjin Composites Co., Ltd. in north China's Tianjin Municipality. The Phase III expansion project of the Boeing Tianjin Composites Co., Ltd., plane maker Boeing's first joint venture in China, was officially put into operation on Friday. (Xinhua)

TIANJIN, April 13 (Xinhua) -- The Phase III expansion project of the Boeing Tianjin Composites Co., Ltd., plane maker Boeing's first joint venture in China, was officially put into operation on Friday.

The project is expected to double the production capacity of the Tianjin plant, according to Boeing. The expansion was launched in the original factory area in 2019.

With a total floor area of about 58,000 square meters, the new facility can also provide more space for the assembling work involving more high-end and complex parts.

"Boeing is very proud of the partnership that we have built with China over more than half a century," said Brendan Nelson, senior vice president of the Boeing Company and president of Boeing Global.

"We are committed to China for the next 50 years," said Nelson, adding that Boeing will continue cooperation in China in a wide range of fields, including composites manufacturing, research, training, completion and delivery center, and sustainability.

Established in 1999, Boeing Tianjin Composites Co., Ltd. is the largest production base of composite materials in the Boeing supply chain in China. Its products cover all Boeing aircraft models.

Since China received the first batch of Boeing 707 aircraft in 1973, Boeing has delivered more than 2,000 aircraft to Chinese customers. Meanwhile, more than 10,000 Boeing aircraft use parts and components are made in China.
The sort of thing that Boeing likes to talk about in China, but not internationally.
 
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