Makes me wonder if the share of composites have changed as the J-20 has iterated versions.
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Western news service are definitely slow, I posted this 2 weeks ago
山河景航空科技 apparently ordered 260 back in August, so EVFLY won't be the largest customer
They are expecting to produce 1000 aircraft a year when their production base is complete, which is not bad at all.
It is a little weird that Chinese airlines are not ordering this. After all, Joby has been getting orders from US airlines.
Don't forget the horrible Chinese low-altitude airspace management regulations...
two reasons according to my analysis
1. different approach
to enter in global market of Civilian aircrafts with western suppliers. C919 already applied for European certificate.
2. national security
yes its true. despite very close relations with Russia, China doesn't want to dependent on Russia for this high tech industry. COMAC rejected three Russian offers to build engine in joint venture. and eventually went alone and we have CJ-1000/CJ-2000 propulsion now.
after Ukraine-Russia war, West impose sanctions. Russia proposed Non-western components plan for CR929 aircraft but COMAC rejected again. and now Russia become parts supplier instead of partner in this program.
edit - another most important thing, China building aviation foundation in Mainland , spending billions of RMB to cultivate talent , building infrastructure. want to become aviation powerhouse that will serve China in decades to come. they have set the target of 5 percent contribution from aviation in GDP by 2049
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but China must be very careful, the countries of the so-called West have the habit of imposing sanctions, even more when a nation becomes a competitor not only geopolitically but also precisely in the commercial aircraft production sector.
What would happen to the C919 or ARJ21 if as with the Russian SSJ-100 the suppliers of parts are forced to refuse to supply them? Therefore, a problem that would also arise for the C929, only a completely national production would avoid it.
you know what, this picture is highly misleading.but China must be very careful, the countries of the so-called West have the habit of imposing sanctions, even more when a nation becomes a competitor not only geopolitically but also precisely in the commercial aircraft production sector.
What would happen to the C919 or ARJ21 if as with the Russian SSJ-100 the suppliers of parts are forced to refuse to supply them? Therefore, a problem that would also arise for the C929, only a completely national production would avoid it.
if you have time please read last 50 or 70 pages of this thread.
C919 60 percent components/parts/subsystems have been localized as of 2021.
by 2025-26, almost entire plane will be made with Chinese parts include engine as well.
when it is, it will be a great victory for China, but until then the problems will persist, and it is the almost word that it could always be the sword of Damocles. Furthermore, with new engines or components of national production, the C-919 is to be considered a new version, for domestic flights no problem the Chinese institution will grant a new certification, but for flights to Europe, the EU and the USA, if I'm not mistaken, he will have to receive a new certification from their responsible bodies and it is at that moment that there could be misunderstandings, delays or denials in granting them.
China is doing something similar to what they did with the high speed train program. Most of those parts, with the exception of the engines, are being made in joint ventures in China with Western firms. And there is also a program to replace the engines with the native CJ-1000 engine. Eventually China will make its own subsystems. The fact is China could make its own subsystems if they wanted to. The Y-20 uses all Chinese components and the technological difficulty in the subsystems is roughly the same. It is just that they would not be certified for operations by EASA or the FAA and in the case of the engines they would be of an older generation.
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