Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Excellent news after so much delay, twist and turn, They finally crank up the production. Hope they don't take short cut and make sure the quality is top notch. Is this new production facility or still the old one ?
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Hendrik_2000
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Via Greyboy from pakdef
CCTV: C919 passengers plane undergoing "Mass production stage"(央视国庆放卫星，C919量产
C919 "101" has successfully conducted 4 test flight, "102" at painting stage, test flight at year end expected, "103" undergoing major fitting
C919的101架机在转场阎良前将进行4次试飞，在第4次试飞时飞行高度将上升至7925米，并收放起落架。102架机正在全身喷漆，预计年底首飞，103架机正在总装。
CCTV: C919 passengers plane undergoing "Mass production stage"(央视国庆放卫星，C919量产
C919 "101" has successfully conducted 4 test flight, "102" at painting stage, test flight at year end expected, "103" undergoing major fitting
C919的101架机在转场阎良前将进行4次试飞，在第4次试飞时飞行高度将上升至7925米，并收放起落架。102架机正在全身喷漆，预计年底首飞，103架机正在总装。
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
What's the news on varients of ARJ21-700/900 etc ? Freighter version ?
Both 737max and A320 facilities in China is similar to Chinese introduction of CDMA and CDMA2000 in the early 1990s, a partial bargaining or balancing act related to C919's certification by FAA and EASA. One would easily see through it if one is familiar with the Chinese mobile standard struggle and market access stuff.
Well, watching China for many years, just don't underestimate the demand from China for pretty much everything. Their demand is backed by consistent strong economic growth and people's living standard improvement, that is the scary part.
interesting article. US wants to kill COMAC before it flies! we are definitely not surprised.
b787
Captain
Every where in the world there is growth, but when you have an economy of USD $55000 per capital GDP like in the USA even growing at 2% means a yearly growth USD $1100 a year, basically the US at 2% grows per capita as China does in per capita every year however the US per capita is more than 3 times the Chinese per capita GDP.
To operate a private jet is quiet expensive, much more expensive than airliner regular cheaper tickets.
China today at per capita level is much more poor than the USA, while i can say flying an A-320 is cheaper i can see the Chinese have a Market but for private jets, i do not think so, operate a Phenom or Learjet is much more expensive, so i do not see such market yet
So i do not think at this moment China has the demand the USA has.
Mass flying well is possible China might compete even wrestle for the largest airliner martket, but operating private jets is quiet expensive
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The per capita income doesn't mean much in this case. Not everyone makes the same amount of money in a country. And China has a fast growing billionaire and millionaire class. I'm not saying its a good or a bad thing but its the fact. So there is a growing demand for business jets in China.
But beyond that there is also a military aspect of building business jets. A business jet in the class of the Gulfstream G550 can do certain things better than a Y-8 in a special mission role. Its much faster for a start.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
That is hogwash China has more million er save the US. Last count China has 2-1/2 million millioner if just 1% decide to won the private jet there is demand for 20,000 plane. Private jet was not even allowed in Chinese airspace until recently because Chinese air space is heavily regulated by the military .Let alone private jet even commercial airline has trouble expanding the existing air route due to limited airspace reserve for civilian aircraft That is the cause of so much delay in Chinese airliner.
So the lack of private jet manufacturer has nothing to do with the demand. Plus China has well developed high speed railway which is convenient for business
Anyway on different subject Her the story of Chief designer for Comac C919 via jsch from pakdef
The sky is the limit for China's home-grown jet
17:44 UTC+8, 2017-10-10
Xinhua
Zhang Miao (left) and Zhang Xijin discuss the design of China’s C919 jetliner.
THE C919, China’s first domestically developed narrow-body twin-jet airliner, caught the world’s attention late last month after completing its second test flight from Pudong International Airport.
The C919 single-aisle aircraft made its maiden flight from the same airport on May 5, flying north to Chongming Island and over Nantong in neighboring Jiangsu Province, where it circled awhile before heading home.
The second flight — at two hours and 46 minutes — lasted twice as long. During the flight, the plane completed its first test of lowering and lifting its landing gear in the air, among other missions, according to the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC).
A day after the flight, COMAC and partner United Aircraft Corp of Russia announced that the first long-haul jet developed jointly by both countries will be named CR929, symbolizing the “enduring cooperation of the two sides.”
The wide-body jet will seat 280 and have a range of up to 12,000 kilometers. It is scheduled to make its maiden flight in 2025 and begin deliveries in 2028, according to the China-Russia Commercial Aircraft International Corp, a joint venture based in Shanghai’s Free Trade Zone.
In terms of global aviation, China is thinking big. It has been on a more than three-decade quest to rise to the ranks of nations capable of designing and manufacturing commercial aircraft.
“The C919 marks a new high for China’s aircraft-making,” said Cheng Bushi, 87, the deputy designer of the Y10, China’s first commercial jet, designed in the 1970s. The Y10 with 125 seats flew for more than 170 hours in test flights between 1980 and 1984, but the project was scuttled before reaching commercial viability because of economic and political factors.
Despite setbacks and frustrations, China’s commercial aircraft industry has never looked back. Its progress has been supported by thousands of engineers and aircraft designers.
COMAC was established in Shanghai in 2008 to take charge of developing the C919 project. Though the company is relatively new, many of its senior engineers are veterans of China’s aircraft ambitions.
Zhang Xijin, 83, his son Zhang Miao and Zhang Miao’s apprentice Ma Tuliang are the famous “three-generation trio” at COMAC, who are working together on the C919 project.
Zhang Xijin, a famous aerodynamic specialist, served in a senior position in the COMAC Shanghai Aircraft Design and Research Institute. He took part in the design of eight Chinese aircraft, including the ARJ21, the nation’s first domestically developed regional jet.
“Research conditions were quite tough in the 1970s, when China initially began research on aircraft-making,” Zhang Xijin said. “We often borrowed abacuses from neighboring offices to do calculations.”
Zhang Xijin’s wife Wang Juanzhi was an aerodynamic specialist. Small wonder with parents so concentrated on their jobs that son Zhang Miao didn’t also answer the call of the nation’s aircraft dream. After all, his first name is a Chinese character involved with aerodynamic structures.
Zhang Miao did not disappoint his father. He has become the deputy design director for the C919.
When Zhang senior was about to retire in 2002, he was invited to take part in the ARJ21’s aerodynamic designs. When he was officially retired in 2008, COMAC invited him again to take part in the design for the C919.
Niu Jianchi / Ti Gong
Zhang Xijin (front right) and Zhang Miao (middle, front row) work with their team on the maiden flight of the C919.
Surpassing expectations
“Work has been more important than my personal life,” he admitted.
Zhang junior said working conditions have improved since his father’s pioneering work in the field, but challenges remain. China has the full intellectual property rights on the C919, based on charts his team painted for the nose, body, wings and other aircraft parts.
“We painted over 2,000 design charts for the wings alone,” Zhang Miao said.
His father added: “A wind tunnel experiment shows China’s first domestically designed supercritical wing works better than expectations.”
Ma Tuliang, an aerodynamic engineer with the institute, was a postgraduate students working under Zhang Miao. He assisted his tutor on the design of the winglets for the C919 and has since become a key aerodynamic designer for the CR929 wide-body passenger jet.
“The most precious thing I learned from the older generation is that gritty determination to succeed,” Ma said.
“With the advanced technology and facilities nowadays, we aim to make some breakthroughs based on the achievements of our forebears.”
The development of a domestically developed large passenger aircraft is “part of the Chinese Dream,” COMAC said.
“The project highlights the demands of China’s fast growing economy and the rapid development of China’s civil aviation industry,” a spokesman for the company said.
Predications are that Chinese airlines will need more than 6,800 new aircraft in the next two decades.
Furthermore, the aircraft industry is seen as a lynchpin in China’s industrial modernization.
Boeing has said every 1 percent increase in sales of airliners expands the national economy by 0.7 percent. The State Council, China’s cabinet, has designated the aeronautical industry as one of 10 pillars in its plan to make China a global manufacturing giant by 2025.
