Chinese ATGM discussion
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Quickie
Colonel
Good look at the missile. I think I can see wire coming out of the missile in this pic.
HJ-9
Could be that the missile is wire guided in the early stage of the flight.
antiterror13
Brigadier
My apologies for my limited knowledge of ATGM. Why would ATGM use wire to guide it? it looks and sounds primitive to me? Please educate me. Thanks
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
A anti tank weapon using wired guidance has the following advantage. 1 impervious to Flares, laser and radar spoofing. The tank can try and counter all it likes with soft kill it wont work.
2 can be guided onto moving targets. The operator controls the missile and can land the hits.
There is however that one big hitch that to use wire guided weapons you have to stay in in one place and guided it. This make you vulnerable in the event that said some one spots you.
2 can be guided onto moving targets. The operator controls the missile and can land the hits.
There is however that one big hitch that to use wire guided weapons you have to stay in in one place and guided it. This make you vulnerable in the event that said some one spots you.
Is there a type of wire guided missile that is only wire guided in the initial part of the flight? I mean sure if you run out of wire and it ripps, the missile will continue to go straight ahead and you can hope that it's good enough. But that "feature" is not by design.
Does that HJ-9 provide a sensor video feed back to the operator then? Otherwise the method of operation wouldn't really be different, right?
Does that HJ-9 provide a sensor video feed back to the operator then? Otherwise the method of operation wouldn't really be different, right?
Keep in mind that the AFT-10 is NLOS. Which means that the launching vehicle can stay behind hills and other line-of-sight obstructions and fire the missile over it, while still guiding it to their target via man-in-the-loop guidance.
The missile operator basically sees what the missile seeker is seeing, can correct the course of the missile, select other targets, disengage in case of blue-on-blue, and even could engage slow flying helicopters and fast driving vehicles within the range by simply following it.
And at shorter range at LOS and in case the cable is cut, the missile goes to fire and forget mode and autonomously tracks the last selected and locked on target, allowing the launching vehicle to move away.
All in all, this is a revolutionary weapon for the PLA.
Israel's Spike Missile - Video shows what we can expect the AFT-10 to be capable of:
[video=youtube;IZVqUeA1FhQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZVqUeA1FhQ[/video]
antiterror13
Brigadier
I thought the encryption technology has been so advanced that spoofing is almost impossible ... and we are talking about 5-10 seconds window before it hits the destination .. I still don't understand
The HJ-9 is simply a laser beam-riding SACLOS missile. This means that the gunner still has to have line of sight with the target and has to keep his aim to allow the missile to ride the laser beam to the target. In itself, SACLOS with wire and SACLOS with laser isnt that much different in operation. Laser has the advantage that your missile can be faster and longer ranged, as there's no need to take account the wire length and the spooling speed of the wire behind the missile.
There's also a variant of the HJ-9, the HJ-9A, which uses a milimeter-wave guidance. This isnt anything different, though, since it just replaces the "laser-pointer" with a "radar-wave-pointer": The operator still has to have LOS and paint the target with the MMW radar all the way until impact. Advantage here would be even faster speed of the missile and all-weather capability (laser is susceptible to adverse weather conditions).
Truly revolutionary changes in ATGM are fire and forget seekers and these NLOS missiles.
