Chinese ATGM discussion

Breadbox said:

Do you have the full image of the helicopter firing it?
Blue arrow 7 is equivalent to AKD-10 which uses Semi-Active Laser Homing, Blue Arrow 21, on the other hand, features a round head, which likely indicates a new form/additional form of guidance.

I suspect that it's equipped with millimetre wave radar seeker for fire and forget capability like the

Breadbox said:

Do you have the full image of the helicopter firing it?
Blue arrow 7 is equivalent to AKD-10 which uses Semi-Active Laser Homing, Blue Arrow 21, on the other hand, features a round head, which likely indicates a new form/additional form of guidance.

I suspect that it's equipped with millimetre wave radar seeker for fire and forget capability like the AGM-114L. Again, I'm surprised by the complete lack of info on the blue arrow series of missiles, considering that they are for exports.

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Again, I'm surprised by the complete lack of info on the blue arrow series of missiles, considering that they are for exports.

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Bltizo said:

We've had confirmation before that the BA-21 is MMW guided.

We've never seen the domestic variant in service before, but this is clearly it.

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What does MMW guided mean? Does that mean there is a small radar in the missile itself that can guide itself to the target? Or does it mean it can be guided by a MMW radar located on a helicopter?

Some websites seem to say it is fire and forget, while Jane's says it was "seen working in conjunction with at least one Z-19A attack helicopter equipped with a mast-mounted millimetre-wave (MMW) radar"

MMW is millimeter wave. Same spectrum used in airport baggage scanners for example.
It works kind of like radar yes but it has a pretty high resolution so the sensor probably can detect the shape of the target better than a long distance radar. You can place the sensors either on the weapon itself, which is what usually happens, or in masts yes.
The most well known example of a missile which uses MMW is the Hellfire missile used in the AH-64 Apache helicopter. Another example would be the Brimstone missile.
Typically a MMW missile is fire and forget. You get a lock on the shape of the target, fire the missile, and its sensor tracks the shape of the target until it reaches it. Or you fire the missile and it seeks targets on its own.

TL-4 brochure from the last Zhuhai show.

Effective Range: 0.5-6km
Diameter: 140mm
Length: 1090mm
Weight: 24kg
Launcher Dimensions (HxWxL): 178x174x120mm
Warhead Weight: 28.5kg
Guidance Modes: Inertial + TV, Infrared.
Communications Mode: Two-way digital wireless.

Light weight enough to be man-portable and can be mounted on vehicles or helicopters. Features Fire-and-Forget mode, or if the user prefers, he may remotely control it after launch.

Here's that truck mounted HJ-10 launch platform again.




Two animated gifts of the launcher maneuvering and then firing:
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The new wheeled HJ-10 platforms participate in a high-altitude exercise.

A full firing sequence of the wheeled based HJ-10 platform.

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Component of a ATGM company (from left to right): command vehicle, recon vehicle, launch vehicle.

The full complement of the wheeled HJ-10 ATGM system, which includes the launch vehicle, recon/fire-direction vehicle, and re-supply vehicle.

More interior shots of the tracked HJ-10 launch vehicle.