Chinese air to ground weapons (missiles, PGMs, etc)

OppositeDay

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For people who don't listen to Shilao's podcast, in the latest episode Yankeesama recounts his experience at a recent PLA + defense contractors conference on lessons from Russo-Ukrainian conflict (he was there to give a talk on Guancha's coverage of the conflict and OSINT methods). One lesson was PLA should stockpile more PGMs. Unsurprisingly, PGM manufacturers were all very big on this particular lesson.
 

XiDada

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Has anyone done any in depth analysis of PLA munitions loading equipment and other ground support equipment (GSE) for jets? As I understand it, one of the major failing of the RuAF is that they have piss-poor GSE and GSE usage practice, which results in the bad habit of leaving munitions just lying around fully fueled jets:
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A quick google for PLAAF GSE has stuff like mechanical autoloaders like these:1661536538513.png
and
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But there are also images like this:
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Which suggests that the PLAAF still uses a lot of "manual" loading practices - similar to the Russians. This can cause issues such as:
  • Reduced sortie generation - the more time it takes to load fresh munitions on an airframe, the longer it'll take before the plane can take off again - to date, PLAAF rarely practices 12 turn 12 ops (send 12 jets up in a sortie before noon, and then send another 12 jets up after), instead relying on using different bases to generate the sortie volume that they're looking for. But this practice means the PLAAF operations are more like "lunges" than a continuous flow - they can launch a large number of airframes all at once, but it'll take a full day before they can launch again
  • Increased response time - if the PLAAF doesn't do the (frankly retarded) RuAF practice of piling up munitions next to fully fueled aircrafts, then it may take the PLAAF more time to bring the munitions out of storage, bring the munitions to the airframes, and load munitions onto the airframes. This can increase the response time and leave the crew and airfields in a dangerous situation where they may be operating without an active CAP and are forced to rely on ground based SAMs.
 

siegecrossbow

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Has anyone done any in depth analysis of PLA munitions loading equipment and other ground support equipment (GSE) for jets? As I understand it, one of the major failing of the RuAF is that they have piss-poor GSE and GSE usage practice, which results in the bad habit of leaving munitions just lying around fully fueled jets:
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A quick google for PLAAF GSE has stuff like mechanical autoloaders like these:View attachment 96230
and
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But there are also images like this:
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Which suggests that the PLAAF still uses a lot of "manual" loading practices - similar to the Russians. This can cause issues such as:
  • Reduced sortie generation - the more time it takes to load fresh munitions on an airframe, the longer it'll take before the plane can take off again - to date, PLAAF rarely practices 12 turn 12 ops (send 12 jets up in a sortie before noon, and then send another 12 jets up after), instead relying on using different bases to generate the sortie volume that they're looking for. But this practice means the PLAAF operations are more like "lunges" than a continuous flow - they can launch a large number of airframes all at once, but it'll take a full day before they can launch again
  • Increased response time - if the PLAAF doesn't do the (frankly retarded) RuAF practice of piling up munitions next to fully fueled aircrafts, then it may take the PLAAF more time to bring the munitions out of storage, bring the munitions to the airframes, and load munitions onto the airframes. This can increase the response time and leave the crew and airfields in a dangerous situation where they may be operating without an active CAP and are forced to rely on ground based SAMs.

The camo in the bottom photo looks pre-reform era.
 

SanWenYu

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Has anyone done any in depth analysis of PLA munitions loading equipment and other ground support equipment (GSE) for jets? As I understand it, one of the major failing of the RuAF is that they have piss-poor GSE and GSE usage practice, which results in the bad habit of leaving munitions just lying around fully fueled jets:
View attachment 96229
A quick google for PLAAF GSE has stuff like mechanical autoloaders like these:View attachment 96230
and
View attachment 96233

But there are also images like this:
View attachment 96232
Which suggests that the PLAAF still uses a lot of "manual" loading practices - similar to the Russians. This can cause issues such as:
  • Reduced sortie generation - the more time it takes to load fresh munitions on an airframe, the longer it'll take before the plane can take off again - to date, PLAAF rarely practices 12 turn 12 ops (send 12 jets up in a sortie before noon, and then send another 12 jets up after), instead relying on using different bases to generate the sortie volume that they're looking for. But this practice means the PLAAF operations are more like "lunges" than a continuous flow - they can launch a large number of airframes all at once, but it'll take a full day before they can launch again
  • Increased response time - if the PLAAF doesn't do the (frankly retarded) RuAF practice of piling up munitions next to fully fueled aircrafts, then it may take the PLAAF more time to bring the munitions out of storage, bring the munitions to the airframes, and load munitions onto the airframes. This can increase the response time and leave the crew and airfields in a dangerous situation where they may be operating without an active CAP and are forced to rely on ground based SAMs.
Do you happen to know the dates the photos were taken? PLA today is vastly different than the PLA 10 years ago.

And there are also differences in equipment and training among different combat units even today.
 

by78

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Display placards from this year's Changchun airshow. Nothing we don't already know, but posting them here for record keeping purposes.

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tphuang

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Yes, tl30 looks quite interesting. Could be very hard to deal with.

Also, 60g for sraam is pretty impressive. that's gotta be close to the best if not the best.
 
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