If H-6 has a bomb capacity of ~9 Tons based on Tu-16 stats, then it could lob up to 40 PL-15s at ~230 kgs each, that does not seem like a low number at all. A wing of 5 or so H-6s can lob up to 200 PL-15s, or 50 J-20's worth of munitions if using internal bay only. However a supersonic capable Tu-22 esq bomber will be more suited for this kind of bomb truck role.
9 tons is probably for the older H-6 variants. The newer variants, i.e. H-6K, H-6J and H-6N should be able to carry a higher tonnage of payloads.
Let's take the H-6K for example.
We do know that each H-6K can carry up to 6 KD-20 LACMs. Each KD-20 weighs ~2 tons. This means that theoretically speaking, each H-6K is capable of carrying up to ~12 tons of payload.
For the PL-15 with an individual weight of ~230kg, that means each H-6K can carry up to ~50 PL-15s.
Therefore, a flight of 6 H-6Ks (for reference) is capable of lobbing up to ~300 PL-15s against the enemy warplane formation.
Of course, we have to remember that carrying up to its maximum payload means a significantly-reduced combat radius for the H-6K. Therefore, for a WestPac scenario, I don't really envision the H-6Ks to carry PL-15s up till its maximum payload limit, unless absolutely necessary.
However, even with only half the maximum amount, ~150 PL-15s streaking towards you and your flightmates (as the enemy) at Mach 4 is still going to be terrifying, anyhow.
Yes but you're both ignoring the structural problems with holding 50x or x number of missiles like that. Some loads can be carried at certain points etc etc. Payload capacity does not translate directly in this way. Number, centre of gravity, shape etc are all important parameters to consider. No chance a H-6 even with payload capacity of 15T can hold anywhere close to 50 PL-15 AAMs even if volume and aerodynamics isn't an issue to consider. You can't place loads along the fuselage and wing wherever you please. I'd say even with a lot of work on modifying a dedicated missile truck H-6 variant, it would cap out around 20 PL-15s at best. Absolutely a terrible platform for this purpose even if we ignore volume problem and less than ideal launch kinematics.
That got me thinking, the extreme end point of faster+higher will eventually just become a rocket. Can tactical ballistic missiles be outfitted with AA submunitions? That would probably be impractically expensive, but it'll also be almost impossible to intercept and will cripple tankers/AWACs staying far in the rear provided you can provide appropriate tracking and targetting.
Why not do an air launched version of this. Essentially this is just a drone missile truck if we make it air launched. So many ways to improve BVR attrition performance of integrated airborne platforms. All have long been looked into since the 1960s by every major player. None are quite as realistic back then as they are now. B-52 and B-21 taking these missile truck roles only recently.
PLA may want H-20 (possibly JH-xx) would no doubt be open to these roles but I suspect there are far superior ways to improve BVR attrition than this method which I'd like to call mechanical brute forcing. It's simply too resource intensive when next generation weaponry should be (and no doubt are) aimed at eroding opposition networks and their sensor + kill chains while preserving your own. This is where the real fight is lost and won. Suffice to say, it is 90% electromagnetic domain and cyber.
What's being discussed wrt micro missiles and missile trucks are Cold War era paradigms kinda like thinking about how to improve your bow and arrow when machine guns are a thing on the battlefield (while machine guns aren't well known by the wider public and certainly not well published). While USAF and PLAAF are no doubt investing in these concurrently, these players would have long since understood the true hierarchy of importance in every dimension of modern BVR combat and acted accordingly.
AAM truck concept is a bad concept. A bomber-like aircraft will always be at a huge disadvantage against a fighter when it comes to engagement envelope. A bomber is always engagable by the fighter before the other way around happens.
That is just a large SAM. Missiles like the 40N6 are huge and fly at a quasiballistic trajectory.
Exactly. Almost a conservation of energy law type of thing. On balance, it is useful but in relatively limited situations. If you make a mach 2+ capable supercruising bomber somehow and with enough capacity to lob dozens of AAMs at medium range, that platform is far better used to attack opposition key targets. The role of BVR really should be for fighters, possibly larger and heavier fighters going "beast mode" at most to strike airborne key targets like tankers and AWACS. Heavy tactical strike aircraft and tactical bombers really should be aimed at far more strategically important targets. Having them become dedicated missile trucks to win some BVR attrition role means one less being used on airfields, radar sites, carriers etc etc. Which are more important and serve as critical long term supporting structures?
It's quite clear why these major airforces haven't gone down this missile truck route. Although loyal wingman drones obviously are a new variable in the BVR attrition calculus and an exciting field.
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