Chinese air to air missiles

JayBird said:

huitong's website update on PL-10 and PL-15. It was mentioned by CaoGen aka GrassRoots the guy who draw all the accurate CG pics of PLA military stuff.


The latest rumor (September 2015) claimed that a PL-10 was test-fired successfully from a J-10C.
- Last Updated 9/15/15

The latest rumor (September 2015) claimed that PL-15 was test-fired successfully from a J-16.
- Last Updated 9/15/15

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Chief designer reveals data on China's new Luoyang PL-10 AAM

Richard D Fisher Jr, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
18 September 2015

The Luoyang Electro-Optical Research Institute (LEOC) has largely competed development of its fifth-generation PL-10 short-range air-to-air missile (AAM), according to comments by the missile's designer on a Chinese TV show broadcast in late August.

The PL-10 AAM was first seen on Chinese websites in 2013 being carried on a retractable/covered pylon on the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) J-20 fifth-generation fighter. More recently it has been seen on the wingtip pylon of the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation J-11 fighter.

The TV report featured an interview with the PL-10's chief designer, Liang Xiaogeng. According to Mark Stokes of the Project 2049 research institute, Liang also served as the deputy chief designer of LEOC's PL-9C infrared/helmet-sighted AAM and as chief designer of the PL-12 self-guided medium-range AAM.

The report was unusual in that it provided significant historic and performance data about a new weapon before its unveiling at a major arms show or exhibition. For example, the report noted that the PL-10 weighs 89 kg, has a length of 3 m, and a range of 20 km. It has been in development for seven years, a prototype was completed in 2013, and since then has been test-fired 30 times.

The report also noted that the PL-10 has "world class" capabilities that include a "multi-element imaging infrared seeker with anti-jamming capabilities" and indicated that it is capable of high off-boresight attacks and has super manoeuvrability.

Images from 2013 and more recently confirm that the PL-10 uses thrust vectoring vanes in its motor exhaust. These, plus unique large aft fins with a slight forward sweep, likely confer super manoeuvrability.

Like comparable AAMs, the PL-10 probably also uses a new helmet-mounted display (HMD) sighting system.

How probable is it PL-10 and PL-15 would become part of JF-17 Block III weapons package replacing SD-10 A and PL-5E-II ?

Domino said:

How probable is it PL-10 and PL-15 would become part of JF-17 Block III weapons package replacing SD-10 A and PL-5E-II ?

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At this stage, not likely. Weapons integration requires development, plus I imagine that JF-17 gets low priority.

latenlazy said:

At this stage, not likely. Weapons integration requires development, plus I imagine that JF-17 gets low priority.

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Block-III would come out in 2018-2019. As the Russian document on RD-93MA suggested a 2019 delivery of RD-93MA for FC-1 (JF-17).

Both PL-10 and PL-15 have completed their development cycle and would probably began its mass production in 2016 and fleet wide integration and making them operational in late 2016-2017

If we take a look at PL-5e-II and PL-10 specs. There are little differences in there Overall weight, length,diameter and range of former and later missiles. Length wise former is 2.8-2.9 meter and weight is 83 KG while later is 3-3.2 meters in lenth with 89 KG weight.So no need would for altering wings/hardpoints/or any existing hardware on Jf-17 to accept these missiles The difference comes in the software aspect of integration as well mating it with HMDS which in my opinion would probably require 6-10 months ( integration, test firing, training of pilots for HMDS/missile mission profiles and making missile operational)

And If I have to take a hazard Overall specs of PL-12/ SD-10 A and PL-15 would be similiar to what we have observed in Pl-10 and Pl-5e


So by the time JF-17 block III comes on horizon, I think these two missiles would be readily available for integration instead of a low priority for integrating them with Block-III

Domino said:

Block-III would come out in 2018-2019. As the Russian document on RD-93MA suggested a 2019 delivery of RD-93MA for FC-1 (JF-17).

Both PL-10 and PL-15 have completed their development cycle and would probably began its mass production in 2016 and fleet wide integration and making them operational in late 2016-2017

If we take a look at PL-5e-II and PL-10 specs. There are little differences in there Overall weight, length,diameter and range of former and later missiles. Length wise former is 2.8-2.9 meter and weight is 83 KG while later is 3-3.2 meters in lenth with 89 KG weight.So no need would for altering wings/hardpoints/or any existing hardware on Jf-17 to accept these missiles The difference comes in the software aspect of integration as well mating it with HMDS which in my opinion would probably require 6-10 months ( integration, test firing, training of pilots for HMDS/missile mission profiles and making missile operational)

And If I have to take a hazard Overall specs of PL-12/ SD-10 A and PL-15 would be similiar to what we have observed in Pl-10 and Pl-5e


So by the time JF-17 block III comes on horizon, I think these two missiles would be readily available for integration instead of a low priority for integrating them with Block-III

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They need to pursue integration for 3 flanker versions, 2 (3?) J-10 versions, and probably the J-20 (each version is its own set of integration tests because they all have different avionics). I don't think that can be done in 2-3 years time. Plus we don't actually know if the J-15 has completed testing.

latenlazy said:

They need to pursue integration for 3 flanker versions, 2 (3?) J-10 versions, and probably the J-20 (each version is its own set of integration tests because they all have different avionics). I don't think that can be done in 2-3 years time. Plus we don't actually know if the J-15 has completed testing.

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Isn't chief designer of JF-17 and J-10 series is same ? If I recall correctly I read somewhere J-10 series and JF-17 has similar avionics architecture.

As per the recent statements of PAF chief, FC-1 would most likely to get Chinese AESA radar. As KLJ-7 is the compact version J-10 A KLJ-10 radar. It is most likely, FC-1 AESA would be compact version of J-10 B AESA ( That image Deino posted of J-10 B aesa).

So I think this compatibility of AESA radar with J-10 series would be another PRO in JF-17 list. That is J-10 Series Integration could be carried out simultaneously with JF-17 Block III because of avionics architectural similarity with J-10B/C architecture.

Domino said:

As per the recent statements of PAF chief, FC-1 would most likely to get Chinese AESA radar. As KLJ-7 is the compact version J-10 A KLJ-10 radar. It is most likely, FC-1 AESA would be compact version of J-10 B AESA ( That image Deino posted of J-10 B aesa).

So I think this compatibility of AESA radar with J-10 series would be another PRO in JF-17 list. That is J-10 Series Integration could be carried out simultaneously with JF-17 Block III because of avionics architectural similarity with J-10B/C architecture.

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The J-10 does not use the KLJ-10 but rather a different type of PD radar. The KLJ-10 is only deployed on the JH-7A.

wowww, Chinese AAM is getting more and more dangerous ...... and they are already extremely dangerous

as long as PAF is willing to pay for the tests, I don't see why they can't get it included with JF-17 by that timeline.