China's Westward One Belt One Road Strategy

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ansy1968

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Mohsin77 said:
So you post the Baluchistan attack article, and then go on an emotional rant about how China is "spineless," quite obviously in the hopes that Chinese members would turn against Pakistan. That was the plan right? And your attempt at telling Pakistan not to get too close to China, that was also very cute.

One of your own compatriots on another thread here already admitted (proudly) that the TTP in Pakistan is being funded and directed by India. This is something that both Chinese and Pakistani intelligence agencies are well aware of. Such attacks are an act of desperation. The question you need to ask yourself is, do you actually think such tactics will work? Because the tide that is building up around India is going to drown you. Good luck.
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@Mohsin77 its a click-bait, the Indians need to release their frustration, having lied too so many times with false promises and believing it. For sure this debate will not end well so why give them the satisfaction and ruin this thread. ;)
 
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Sardaukar20 said:
China can do the heavy lifting in the intelligence field, logistics, training, and giving financial assistance. Then Pakistan can concentrate on the business end of the anti-terrorism work. The military operations, the airstrikes, and the arrest or execution of terrorist leaders. CPEC is a shared project. Protecting it should be a shared burden too.
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That would be a tough and unfair ask. It's impossible for the Chinese intelligence to do the heavy lifting on Pakistani soil. You need a lot of ground work and local expertise for that stuff (HUMINT.) The area where they will have an advantage though, is tracking international financial links etc. (ELINT and Cyber) I'm sure the ISI and MSS are working on this.

With that said, it's not an problem that can ever be 100% controlled. And lest we forget, most of the collateral damage is in Pakistan. In this attack in Baluchistan, only Pakistanis died (which is the case with the vast majority of the TTP's victims.) So this is a bigger problem for Pakistan then it is for China. But I don't think either Pakistan or China are afraid of such Indian tactics, from a strategic perspective. It's a feeble Indian attempt at stopping CPEC. Besides, India's not even good at this game. I mean, the ISI achieved way more in Kashmir by sponsoring the freedom fighters there lolz. It tied down the majority of India's Army in COIN ops and completely screwed up its natural evolution, as Sawhney has explained in detail. And the fact that India, a much larger nation, is resorting to such moves is already an indicator that it is desperate.
 
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If becoming a superpower means attacking other countries for fun, using clandestine services to stoke unrest all over the world like the US, then I'd rather China not become one

Fact is, China is a decent place for its citizens to live and becoming more advanced and self-sustaining in every sector. The same can't be said for India. The problems with India are so huge I don't even know where to begin. The economy isn't worth half a shit except call centers which have very little upgrade potential.
 
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Sardaukar20

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Mohsin77 said:
That would be a tough and unfair ask. It's impossible for the Chinese intelligence to do the heavy lifting on Pakistani soil. You need a lot of ground work and local expertise for that stuff (HUMINT.) The area where they will have an advantage though, is tracking international financial links etc. (ELINT and Cyber) I'm sure the ISI and MSS are working on this.
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Precisely. The part where China can do the heavy-lifting is in the international sphere intelligence work. Tracing the money trail, tracing the global Salafist terrorist network, etc. The MSS could consult with the FSB on that. Yes, the ground work intelligence is still where the ISI is best suited. MSS and ISI should collaborate. We can be sure that the CIA and RAW are already doing so.

Mohsin77 said:
With that said, it's not an problem that can ever be 100% controlled. And lest we forget, most of the collateral damage is in Pakistan. In this attack in Baluchistan, only Pakistanis died (which is the case with the vast majority of the TTP's victims.) So this is a bigger problem for Pakistan then it is for China. But I don't think either Pakistan or China are afraid of such Indian tactics, from a strategic perspective. It's a feeble Indian attempt at stopping CPEC. Besides, India's not even good at this game. I mean, the ISI achieved way more in Kashmir by sponsoring the freedom fighters there lolz. It tied down the majority of India's Army in COIN ops and completely screwed up its natural evolution, as Sawhney has explained in detail. And the fact that India, a much larger nation, is resorting to such moves is already an indicator that it is desperate.
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Whether its Pakistanis, Chinese, or others getting killed in terrorist attacks, its all bad. Terrorism is just bad for business and development. Like you have said, Indian attempts at supporting terrorism is incompetent. I agree, but I think the real concern is the CIA. They are the masters of supporting terrorism and destabilizing places. Its not unrealistic that they could be doing their work in Balochistan through RAW. But lets get back to India. The very fact that India is happy to use state-sponsored terrorism to achieve their geopolitical goals speaks a lot about its moral values. So much for being a 'benevolent' alternative to China. A sane India would at least try to compete with CPEC, but India today is not sane. Its good that they are desperate. What Pakistan needs to achieve is to get the terrorism in their country under control. Maybe not 100% eliminate them in the short term, but keep them manageable, so that their threat to economic stability becomes minimal. When that happens, then Pakistan can attract businesses better, and accelerate its economic growth. While India will get into even deeper trouble.
 
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China can use its economic power to pressure nations that are acting against their interests. Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey would be some that come to mind.

A lot of people underestimate how powerful China's economy really is. In nominal terms its already passed what America was in 2001, and its only going to get bigger.

New Zealand, Norway, Australia have all capitulated to some degree purely by economic pressure.
 
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ansy1968 said:
@BoraTas Sir! That is what the west want from China , to be LIKE THEM, to follow THEIR WESTERN VALUES, If she does the 3rd and developing world will be in trouble and will be in a lot of pain, cause instead of one bully there will be TWO. And we should be thankful that the Chinese rejected it and follow its owned path, and some Indians may not like it, it will be their inevitable savior whether they like it or not.
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This is why i'm in favour of balkanising and destroying the territorial integrity of India; Indians, having been schooled by the Anglos, wish to emulate the Anglos and given the conduct of India since Independence, it's clear that India would behave as the US does if it had even half the capabilities of China.
 
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Abominable said:
China can use its economic power to pressure nations that are acting against their interests. Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey would be some that come to mind.
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It isn't that simple. Chinas strength lies in its status as the global trading power but Trade isnt the sole determinant of economic power. US has what you call real economic power where it can simply disconnect you from the International financial system. China doesn't have that kind of power yet.
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A lot of people underestimate how powerful China's economy really is. In nominal terms its already passed what America was in 2001, and its only going to get bigger.
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Factually wrong It will take a decade for China to surpass US nominally. China is ahead in PPP terms.
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New Zealand, Norway, Australia have all capitulated to some degree purely by economic pressure.
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China never had any major qualms with NZ so idk where capitulation came from.
Australia hasn't capitulated at all & has infact ramped up its rhetoric. Australia holds the upper edge in trade due to Chinas reliability on Iron Ore .

We must understand that there is always right time for everything. Right now China isnt at its peak power and shouldn't take steps which will jeopardize its status as the future #1.
 
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Yodello

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I seem to have ruffled some feathers here...!
Actually, I always mean for China to do well. It is the only Nation right now that is capable of bringing a alternate balance to the Western- led global order.

I just had to vent my frustration and China's seeming lack of inaction. I guess I am just an impatient fellow.
 
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Yodello said:
China is spineless...period...!
Being trashed and humiliated by India at least in the eyes of the world, despite much proclamation of being a 'supapowah' with 'fastest-growing' military blah blah blah. Being harassed by the U.S continually in the South China sea, just a few miles from its own shores.
Even the Philippines is now thinking to start construction in the SCS, since they feel that there is really nothing to fear from China, or that they have more to gain than lose. Australia just reneged on a Deal they previously made with China, can China even do anything other than criticize Australia?
No amount of hardware of new toys can match a person's/people's spirit.
I have stated this before and will state it again, China simply lacks the attitude or bravado to become a true military power.
China will be a regional power, along with India, Japan and South Korea, at best....!

It has done nothing with regards to Myanmar, and it will do nothing with regards to the Balochistan bombing, simply because China lacks the spine. Heck, Meng wanzhou is literally a 'captive' in Canada, and what has China done in the past couple of years? Spineless, does anyone need anymore proof? Pakistan better hedge their bet carefully by not putting all their eggs into the Chinese Basket.

I used to think China will be a Power to be reckoned with, both militarily and economically, and that it will also become a leader in the Asia Pacific and beyond, but it has shown very little qualities for leadership.
China doesn't stand for good, , neither does it make a stand on any issue at all, take a look at Myanmar. Not one Nation in Asia or beyond looks to China for leadership. A Nation that doesn't make a concrete stand on anything can never be a true leader or World Power.
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Can admin ban this troll ?
 
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