China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

vesicles

Colonel
I know they are young team but on second thought you might be right Henri just take a stock photo and implied it as the recent team that boarded the Y 20. they certainly doesn't look like a geek. But on the other hand ,they are wearing a cap with what look like a Avic logo. Hard to say

Hey! are you implying geeks can't be this attractive and cool?:p:D I am offended :D;)

Come by the Texas Medical Center in Houston, I will show a whole lot of hot doctors, postdocs, grad students and med school students.:p:cool:
 

taxiya

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Those are the designers of Y-20??? If so, holy hell I'm impressed! I thought those were just a bunch of tourists!

I know they are young team but on second thought you might be right Henri just take a stock photo and implied it as the recent team that boarded the Y 20. they certainly doesn't look like a geek. But on the other hand ,they are wearing a cap with what look like a Avic logo. Hard to say
Nothing critical, but I enjoy detective work and here is what I think.

The photo is surely not related to the test flight.
  1. look at the t-shirts of the two men in the first row to the right, it says "千人计划"/1000plan. See this site
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    . It is an organization/program to attract oversea Chinese nationals or foreigners to return/migrate to China to work.
  2. Look at the name tag of the girl at the right-bottom corner. Her family name (the first character) is written as "蘇" which is the traditional form of "苏"/Su.
  3. Look at all their facial features, they are primarily from a certain region (southern ancestry).
  4. It is certainly taken in an air show, see the barriers and the AWAC and J-10 PLAF demo team?
All tells that they are oversea Chinese or Chinese from Taiwan/Hongkong/Macau. Surely not from XAC which is guaranteed to have a very good/even mix of people from all corners of China.

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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
  1. Look at all their facial features, they are primarily from a certain region (southern ancestry).
  2. It is certainly taken in an air show, see the barriers and the AWAC and J-10 PLAF demo team?
All tells that they are oversea Chinese or Chinese from Taiwan/Hongkong/Macau. Surely not from XAC which is guaranteed to have a very good/even mix of people from all corners of China.

Interesting when I was in Beijing I also notice slight difference in physical appearance Generally northern Chinese are taller but I thought the southern girl have much finer feature then their northern counterpart, of course not all of them
 

vesicles

Colonel
Nothing critical, but I enjoy detective work and here is what I think.

The photo is surely not related to the test flight.
  1. look at the t-shirts of the two men in the first row to the right, it says "千人计划"/1000plan. See this site
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    . It is an organization/program to attract oversea Chinese nationals or foreigners to return/migrate to China to work.
  2. Look at the name tag of the girl at the right-bottom corner. Her family name (the first character) is written as "蘇" which is the traditional form of "苏"/Su.
  3. Look at all their facial features, they are primarily from a certain region (southern ancestry).
  4. It is certainly taken in an air show, see the barriers and the AWAC and J-10 PLAF demo team?
All tells that they are oversea Chinese or Chinese from Taiwan/Hongkong/Macau. Surely not from XAC which is guaranteed to have a very good/even mix of people from all corners of China.

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The traditional Chinese characters on the name tag definitely throw the "young and attractive" geeks theory out the window...

It's most likely some kind of tourist thing... might be a recruiting tour of some sort...

Then again, if it is a recruiting tour, these people should be potential talents in the related fields, such as physics and engineering. Then they are likely still super geeks.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
Interesting when I was in Beijing I also notice slight difference in physical appearance Generally northern Chinese are taller but I thought the southern girl have much finer feature then their northern counterpart, of course not all of them
Nowadays with the constant moving and settling of people within the whole country, a person's place of residence and ancestry (more than hundreds years) are totally unrelated. That is to say a person you see on the street of Beijing or living in Beijing can be from anywhere, same in Guangzhou. The physical difference is still there especially in smaller cities or the country side, but is gradually disappearing because people mix at their new homes. This is about Chinese from China. Oversea Chinese (generations abroad) preserved more localized features because they are primarily from a small region of China (some coastal provinces) in the past and isolated from other Chinese populations from mainland (less mixing). That is why it is easier to pick them out of other Chinese from mainland (how I suspected the people in the photo).

Regarding favored features, hehe, that is totally individual taste, I prefer northern girls because they tend to be (not always) bigger and taller. :D
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
But losing 40 or 50 team member will be enough to cripple the effort Anyway see how young and attractive are the young team member of Y 20 design team. china is close to halfway the number of intended earlier purchase IL 76 MD from Russia, that was scuttled due to break up of Soviet union
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The Chinese military transport aircraft Y-20 has just completed its first passenger transport test, according to
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The design office specializing in the design of transport planes and bombers for the AVIC aircraft manufacturer gave almost no details on this test flight, but indicated that the test was the high priority of the Y-20 program. 2017, to verify the transport capacity, the design safety level and the stability of the systems.

It is also the test that has embarked the largest number of people on board since the first inaugural flight of Y-20 which dates back to 26 January 2013.

TANG Chang Hong (唐 长 红), chief program engineer, as well as passengers coming mainly from the different offices of the institute participating in the program, seem to be satisfied with the flight.

Here are some testimonies gathered in the article:

- QIANG Sui Hong, Office No. 1 (Structure)

I am proud to be able to board a plane that I took part in its development. The number of colleagues who enrolled in this test flight also demonstrates our confidence in the Y-20. Through our own feelings and exchanges with the crew, we will have elements that will allow us to continue to improve the aircraft.

- FU Qiang, Office No. 3

The take-off distance is quite short and the landing is flexible, our system (on the sail) which allows to increase the lift has worked well.

- MOU Wei Xing, Office No. 4

This is the first time I fly on a plane we designed, I am very excited. These two hours of travel are extraordinary, the plane takes off and lands softly, we did not feel any trembling in the air. The interior (of the plane) is comfortable, one feels almost like in an airliner.

- LUO Jing Feng, Office No. 7 (Fuel System)

Proud to be on an airplane that we designed together, even though the road is still long in front of us.

So how many people actually boarded this Y-20 flight?

Although Xi'an has not revealed any details so far, we can still deduce a part ourselves. Given that the American C-17, which is larger and longer than the Y-20, is capable of transporting up to 102 fully equipped paratroopers, it is reasonable to assume that the nominal capacity of the Chinese exceed this limit.

We also know the IL-76MD, of which about 20 are in active service in China, can carry about forty people in the bunker in standard configuration, and that this Russian aircraft is of comparable size to its Chinese counterpart, if not that it is much less wide (31.5 meters for IL-76® versus 4 meters for Y-20).

The passenger capacity of Y-20 would therefore be between 40 and 100, in a mixed Cargo-Passenger configuration.

And if we rely on two of the very rare photos taken inside the cargo bay of a Y-20 that has been equipped with the Chinese Air Force since July 2016, it will be noticed that the Chinese transport plane would have between 40 and 50 seats on both sides of the aircraft.

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Seats aboard Y-20 appear to be all numbered (Image: 四川 卫视; Comment: East Pendulum)

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The interior layout of a Y-20 in service in the Chinese Air Force (Picture: 四川 卫视; Comment: East Pendulum)

Passenger capacity therefore depends on whether there are 20 or 25 seats per row, and whether the Y-20 who conducted the passenger test was in the same configuration of the interior arrangement with the one used as a reference.

This suggests that less than 50 people from the 603 Xi'an Institute boarded the Y-20 for the first passenger test, which lasted around two hours.

As for the number of Y-20 products so far, we had predicted last year "
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", according to which two to three aircraft could be delivered by quarter to the Chinese military, starting in the second quarter of 2017, a pace 1 to see slightly lower.

And the latest photos released show that at least five Y-20s have been admitted to active service by the Chinese Air Force, including two first copies introduced in July 2017.

It is still too early to say whether our forecast model is to be revised or not, but at this rate the Chinese air force could receive up to ten Y-20 by the end of 2017, half of the IL- 76MD China whose supply channels are more or less discontinue.

To be continued.


Henri K.

look at that picture. the Y-20 design team look like a bunch of college kids who are still living at home with their parents!
 
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