China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft

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Schumacher

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Franklin said:
Why can't China buy a few Il-78 tankers ? Buy old planes and refurbish them into tankers. Pakistan has already done that.
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Because Y20 will be ready in a few years & they can use H6 now. PLA can wait.
These days, China only buys Russian if they're very very cheap, like the used Il76.
 
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luhai

Banned Idiot
Franklin said:
Why can't China buy a few Il-78 tankers ? Buy old planes and refurbish them into tankers. Pakistan has already done that.
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cn_habs said:
Maybe they won't deliver on time and come with enormous cost overruns?
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Not maybe... no, not maybe. 38 IL-76 and 4 IL-78KM MIA.

Russia and Uzbekistan can't work their problems out and Rosoboronexport promised more than they could deliver. I think this is the actual impetus for Y-20 project progressing so fast. If not for Russians incompetence (or bait and switch tactics) in fulfilling the order, Y-20 would probably came after C-919 and a modern domestic engine c. a. 2020. Right now it's a very rushed project just to get the plane out.

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China to Buy 38 IL-76 Heavy Transports, IL-78 Tankers
Sep 14, 2005 10:04 UTC by Defense Industry Daily staff

Media sources agree that China’s military will sign a contract with Russia for the purchase of 38 Ilyushin IL-76MD “Candid” military transport aircraft and derivative IL-78KM “Midas” air-air refueling tankers – but they do not agree on the price. Estimates range from $850 million to $1.5 billion.
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23.11.09, Avia.RU
Problems with realization of the contract for the delivery of Il-76 military transport airplanes and Il-78 tankers to China have been caused by the Tashkent Chkalov Aviation Production Association's (TAPOiCh, Uzbekistan), to fulfill its obligations, ARMS-TASS reports.

In particular, as regards Russia, the contract is being implemented and will be implemented; however, the Russian side is not bearing and will not bear responsibility for the factual failure of the fulfillment of this project by its third participant, the Uzbek side in the person of TAPOiCh, an informed source in the Russian defense industrial complex reports.

An announcement has been made in connection with the forthcoming 14th meeting of the Russo-Chinese mixed inter-governmental commission for military and technical cooperation in Moscow on 25 November.

Russia's obligations for this contract concern only the manufacture and the deliveries to China of engines and the auxiliary power plants for the Il-76 and Il-78 airplanes, and these obligations are being fulfilled. The Tashkent aircraft plant, who is actually has abrogated the contract, is supposed to produce the airframes themselves for these airplanes, in accordance with the contractual obligations they took on.

"Apparently, some kind of supplement to the contract will be signed as a way out of this situation in which new schedules for its fulfillment will be defined," a source in the Russian defense industrial complex said.

Possibly, the transfer of the order for production of the Il-76 and Il-78 airframes from the Tashkent aircraft plant to the Ul'yanovsk plant when the latter gets up to speed will be one of the variants.
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Russia will offer China the new military cargo plane Ilyushin Il-476, which will be produced in Ulyanovsk, head of the Rosoboronexport department on exports of special property and services Sergei Kornev told reporters at Airshow China 2010 on Wednesday.

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Russia and China agreed on the delivery of 34 Il-76MDs and four Il-78s in September 2005. Experts approximately evaluated the deal at $1.5 billion. The contract was suspended due to the Tashkent aviation plant’s inability to build the aircraft.
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November 30, 2012, 11:45 AM

China has ordered 10 used Il-76s from Russia’s arms vendor Rosoboronexport as an interim measure to enlarge its fleet of the heavy airlifters, before the redeveloped Il-476 version becomes available.

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Some years ago, China sought to buy 50 to 60 new Il-76s from Rosoboronexport, and even signed a preliminary agreement for 38 aircraft in September 2005. The deal was never executed “due to the inability of the plant in Tashkent to build that many new aircraft and fulfill the demand from China,” according to Kornev. He noted that Russia’s focus is now on the Il-476, production of which is being re-launched at the Aviastar-SP plant in Ulianovsk. “One such airplane is already flying, and the customers have been following flight-test progress with interest,” he said.
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It's now 2013, nearly 10 years after the initial contract has conceived and 8 years after the contract been sign, Russians still have not delivered even a single plane... Much like how they used India to regain their lost ship building capability, they used China to regain their lost aircraft building capability. Both with disastrous result for their costumers.
 
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montyp165

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Schumacher said:
Because Y20 will be ready in a few years & they can use H6 now. PLA can wait.
These days, China only buys Russian if they're very very cheap, like the used Il76.
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The Pakistanis got their IL-78s from Ukraine, so if the PLA needs any in short order that's the source to look at for fast service.
 
asif iqbal

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Close up shots of the Y-20 heavy transport

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