China's transport, tanker & heavy lift aircraft - esp. Y-20/YY-20

AssassinsMace said:

Up close and personal.

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I have to say, the new color scheme is definitely growing on me and it actually looks more modern than the older bluish color scheme that the IL-76/Y-9's are donning, interesting that the new Y-9's are still using the old livery rather than the one that the Y-20's are using.

Max Demian said:

The rear landing gear bay doors appear shoddy: as if the panels were jury rigged.

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Sizeable gap visible under the undercarriage door of a C-17. This really is a trivial phenomenon.

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kroko said:

Why would a D-30 equiped Y-20 not be competitive? are they really that expensive? and why would russia not allow china to export planes equiped with their engines? those engines were bought from russia. Yes, i think that russia would prefer that countries buy IL-76, but its a 45 year old design and at this point i dont think that they have expectations that any nation will buy them. So IMO they have little to gain and a lot to lose (financially and politically) by not allowing china to export those engines or even witholding them

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Russia is exporting the Il-76MF/MD-90/476 equipped with the more powerful and more efficient PS-90A engines. The Il-76 is still an old design yes, but the new modernized Il-76 variants that I described are quite a bit more competitive, especially with their more powerful engines.

Compared to Y-20, if Y-20 is only using D-30 engines the modern Il-76 variants will likely be a more attractive buy.


As for why Russia would not allow China to export aircraft with their engines -- in this case I think it is more because they know China itself is also dependent on their engines and both Russia and China's airlifters (Il-76 variants and Y-20) will be competing for the same markets abroad, and Russia's economy is quite a bit more dependent on these sort of military exports than China's. So I wouldn't be surprised if they've come to a tacit agreement that China would not sell Y-20s abroad until China has a domestic engine ready.

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Considering how long it would take to simply fulfill China's yawning need for large transports, I think China would be more than happy to accept this arrangement.

To note: China has not even made attempt to sell Flankers.

And when such times is reached that China has basically fulfilled her own needs - 200 pieces conservatively - I am sure WS-20 will be ready. If not, China at least two other high bypass turbofan project, I am sure they can pick one.

The problem is more that the market for large transport simply isn't that large, and most of which locked up in countries which won't buy Chinese aircrafts anyway.

Preux said:

Considering how long it would take to simply fulfill China's yawning need for large transports, I think China would be more than happy to accept this arrangement.

To note: China has not even made attempt to sell Flankers.

And when such times is reached that China has basically fulfilled her own needs - 200 pieces conservatively - I am sure WS-20 will be ready. If not, China at least two other high bypass turbofan project, I am sure they can pick one.

The problem is more that the market for large transport simply isn't that large, and most of which locked up in countries which won't buy Chinese aircrafts anyway.

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OR they can't buy China's aircrafts due to US embargo on anything military by China? But that will change soon as the economic hard ships starts to hit reality for these countries who can't afford to buy such a few pieces for such hefty price with a lesser or equal quality product.

Wow !!