China's terrirotial loses and claims + Importance.

Mr T · Oct 22, 2011

Rising China said:
Why was China willing to settle for so much less? Why not go for 50/50? Do you have any ideas?

The article suggests that Tajikistan had control of the land, which is important. I would guess that Beijing prefers good relations with its neighbour than pushing it to give up more land. I don't know the area, but if there's nothing of value there why bust a gut to get it?

Remember that China has conceded far more land to Russia in the past (remember what Qing China was like at its zenith?). China has shown it can be pragmatic and sensible when it wants to be.

bladerunner · Oct 23, 2011

Engineer said:
Engineer said:

ROFL! India and Pakistan fought for their independence. Samoa fought for its independence as well,

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I certainly can't place much credibility on Chinas views as regards its historical relationship with Tibet if what you and Solarz said was an example of a Chinese school history lesson.
Its impossible for Pakistan to have fought fought independence when the country never existed before 15 August 1947.
And if one was to use Vietnam as the yard stick of violence inthe pursuit of self rule and independence, than Samoa was nothing more than a school fight.

but in anycase those islands in the middle of no where in the Pacific are given self rule precisely because they are in the middle of no where and have nothing to offer in terms of landmass. But I digress that if the concept of EEZ exists back then these islands would never have given independence.

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Interesting point which leeds me to ask the question

China has established a presence in the Antartic.why? Is it to establish a historical presence in the region so she to can mine the resources there when permitted.

Shouldnt the Antartic simply belong to the countries that are closest to it? Perhaps thats why China's cozying up to those tiny unimportantant islands.

bladerunner · Oct 23, 2011

Schumacher said:
Of course the English would write a nice story like this. They could have been pointing a gun to the Maori chief's head or that they were the one instigating the tribal wars to their advantage etc. I'm afraid something more substantial is needed if one is to believe an entire people would invite their invaders voluntarily.

Quite amusing to see someone floundering around in disbelief and making stupid suggestions but sorry to disappoint you but its true.FYI not all tribes signed the treaty so so much for your theory that it was done under threat of the gun.
TrThe treaty signing has been celebrated for many decades and not once have any anti treaty protesters ever suggested that the treaty was signed by the Maoris under duresss by the British.
HI hope you dont go into a fit or choke on your food will I tell you that the Cook Islands despite having self rule and have been given the right by the UN for full independence by way of a unilateral declaration have chosen to remain a protectorate of NZ

Schumacher · Oct 23, 2011

bladerunner said:
Quite amusing to see someone floundering around in disbelief and making stupid suggestions but sorry to disappoint you but its true.FYI not all tribes signed the treaty so so much for your theory that it was done under threat of the gun.
TrThe treaty signing has been celebrated for many decades and not once have any anti treaty protesters ever suggested that the treaty was signed by the Maoris under duresss by the British.
HI hope you dont go into a fit or choke on your food will I tell you that the Cook Islands despite having self rule and have been given the right by the UN for full independence by way of a unilateral declaration have chosen to remain a protectorate of NZ

I hope you "don't go into a fit or choke on your food" when I ask how do you know "its true" and that "not once have any anti treaty protesters ever suggested that the treaty was signed by the Maoris under duresss by the British" other than being told by history
written by the English ?
Since you say not all tribes signed it, so you're saying the treaty was worthless ? I can agree to that.

bladerunner · Oct 23, 2011

Schumacher said:
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Since you say not all tribes signed it, so you're saying the treaty was worthless ? I can agree to that.

I suggest you try being cute with a Maori with those comments.??

The Majority of the tribes signed and the five that did not werent greatly disadvantaged in anyway. The treaty has not been useless as has been the basic article used to settle any Maori grievances. Even the non signing tribes refer to it to settle their grievances.

bladerunner · Oct 23, 2011

Schumacher said:
I hope you "don't go into a fit or choke on your food" when I ask how do you know "its true" and that "not once have any anti treaty protesters ever suggested that the treaty was signed by the Maoris under duresss by the British" other than being told by history
written by the English ?
Since you say not all tribes signed it, so you're saying the treaty was worthless ? I can agree to that.

Some Maori activists suggest the treaty was a fraud and their vviews are welled expressed in a book by Maori activist Donna Awatere called "Maori Sovereignty" While a well publicised book and not without its supporters , most maoris had issues with it. Futhermore the Author has been jailed for fraud and stealing from a maori trust fund ,

Meanwhile a substantial number of international academics have suggested that the Treaty is why the healing process between the indigenous and the pakeha peoples more advanced than many other countries that had under gone the traumaof being colonised and deprived, in that the treaty made it so much easier to seek recompense. It made clearing the bureaucratic and legal hurdles so much faster. So no it was not a useless document.

Schumacher · Oct 23, 2011

bladerunner said:
I suggest you try being cute with a Maori with those comments.??
The Majority of the tribes signed and the five that did not werent greatly disadvantaged in anyway. The treaty has not been useless as has been the basic article used to settle any Maori grievances. Even the non signing tribes refer to it to settle their grievances.

A substantial amount of academics have suggested the Treaty is probably why New Zealand was so much further ahead than any other colonized country in the healing process between the indigenous people and the descendents of the settlers.

Great, comparing yourself with the likes of North America and Aust where the indigenous were basically wiped out. What a great 'achievement' indeed.

bladerunner · Oct 23, 2011

Schumacher said:
Great, comparing yourself with the likes of North America and Aust where the indigenous were basically wiped out. What a great 'achievement' indeed.

Please Keep up the ludicrous comments on the subject.of the Treaty of Waitangi. it confirms the old saying

"An empty vessel makes the most noise"

Schumacher · Oct 23, 2011

bladerunner said:
Please Keep up the ludicrous comments on the subject.of the Treaty of Waitangi. it confirms the old saying

"An empty vessel makes the most noise"

It's indeed not easy to be serious with someone who buys the idea that a people would just 'invite' invaders half a world away to occupy their lands.

solarz · Oct 23, 2011

bladerunner said:
RoFL the last time i was aware of it, Samoa, Tonga, Cook islands ,are ruled by the original inhabitants. Even Fiji is partially that way with the Council of Chiefs behind the scenes calling the shots.
Even in NZ the maori may not be the majority in parliament, but they certainly punch above their weight when determining our national policy

So you decide to cherry-pick a few rocks on the pacific to support your view and ignore vast countries and an entire continent's struggles for independence? Typical.

Its impossible for Pakistan to have fought fought independence when the country never existed before 15 August 1947.

ROFL! Perhaps you'd like to tell the Americans that their Independence War never happened because they didn't exist as a nation before July 4, 1776.

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