China's strategy in Korean peninsula

t2contra said:

That's is weird, very weird logic. No immigrant camps, no fear. So, let's wait for them to set up camp. Yeah, the British people had no access to the media to know what was happening in Europe, ISIL attacks and immigrants stoways.

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Who cares about the news?
There is border control in the UK ,so it is irrelevant for them.

The immigrants that they see is the Poles, spanish from europe, who snapping up the job offers for low sallaries.

They not fear from the raping syrian, they fear from the Catholic polish technician and the spanish engineer.

t2contra said:

That is just statistics for manufacturing, trade and efficiency. You did not factor in amount of consumption, which in China will increase by magnitudes in the years to come, and the type of industries target in a trade war. So China may have more job losses in the manufacturing sector, the US may have losses in the high tech and farm sector. The US losses in terms of value and opportunity cost will be much higher than China's due to the rise of China's consumption.

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Just as a polite reminder : Japan hasn't managed to increase the ratio of cunsumption in the GDP since the 80s, using up every possible way, and haveing more citizen firengly goverment / state system.

So, your statement is quite similar to the " all I need to do to be millionaire is to get few dozens millions in few days time".

It is more of naming the challange, rather than description of the future development.

Actually, every developing country (Mexico, Brazil, Argenitna , SU and so on) failed in this regards, and stucked in the low income developing country role.

The reason is because it is a political transition, not simply an economical one.

The "ELITE" has to decrease its control ( ad share) above the economy, and thransfer part of its wealth to the masses. Easy , isn't it?

Anlsvrthng said:

Just as a polite reminder : Japan hasn't managed to increase the ratio of cunsumption in the GDP since the 80s, using up every possible way, and haveing more citizen firengly goverment / state system.

So, your statement is quite similar to the " all I need to do to be millionaire is to get few dozens millions in few days time".

It is more of naming the challange, rather than description of the future development.

Actually, every developing country (Mexico, Brazil, Argenitna , SU and so on) failed in this regards, and stucked in the low income developing country role.

The reason is because it is a political transition, not simply an economical one.

The "ELITE" has to decrease its control ( ad share) above the economy, and thransfer part of its wealth to the masses. Easy , isn't it?

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Japan failed to increase consumption because of deflationary spiral and expectation that price will go down even further They try to increase the inflation rate with no success because they failed to follow thru with economic reform Japan economy is beholden to special interest and rigid

Japan needs a mass of economic reforms—a more open climate to foreign investment, for instance, lower tariffs on imported food, fewer subsidies for farmers, freer trade, better tax treatment of foreign companies, the abolition of a welter of business subsidies, a more flexible labour market, greater fiscal rectitude (national debt is currently around 180% of GDP), more accountability by pension funds and insurance companies, further privatisation of services and much more. Takatoshi Ito of Tokyo University, who sits on the Council on Economic and Fiscal Policy, the government's advisory body that drove structural reform during the Koizumi years, has calculated the economic benefit of pursuing the reforms the CEFP advocates, and the costs of abandoning them. Pursue reform, he argues, and Japan should be able to grow at a respectable 2% a year. Abandon it, and growth will crawl along at 1-1.4%.

Another good reference by Japan time

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Three years into Abenomics, the government has yet to fire the third arrow, namely, a growth strategy to spur private-sector investments. One of the reasons that the negative interest rate, which was aimed at shoring up stock prices and devaluing the yen, has so far brought about effects opposite what was hoped is insufficient demand for funds among businesses and households.

Commercial banks, which don’t want to pay a penalty to the BOJ in the form of negative interest for part of their current account deposits at the central bank, have no choice but to withdraw money that is above the ceiling.

What is best for the banks is that they can immediately lend the money withdrawn from the BOJ. But the trouble is that those banks are having a hard time finding low-risk businesses willing to borrow money, no matter how low the interest rates are set. Blue-chip companies have retained such huge internal reserves that they don’t need bank loans for capital investments.

Moreover, with exports stagnating and domestic consumption sluggish, the private sector is far from eager to make capital investments. The principal factor that has prevented the easy money policy of unconventional dimensions from producing tangible results is the fact that the third arrow has not yet been fired.



Mexico, Brazil, Argentina failed to escape the middle income trap because they use the surplus for consumption in the form of better social welfare and other subsidy for the poor
China use the surplus for investment in the form of infrastructure, industrial upgrading, education, and buying resources, investment in BRI to open market for Chinese industry, relatively open market compare to Japan. But most important is the energetic, risk taker of Chinese entrepreneur and creative
Which will prepare Chinese economy for upturn. Those thing are relatively missing in Latin America

China is now richer than Brazil,Argentina on percapita basis with projected GDP/percapita of $9000 in real term for 2017
And the World bank classification of high-income economies are those with a GNI per capita of $12,476 or more. The updated GNI per capita estimates are also used as input to the World Bank's operational guidelines that determines lending eligibility.

Klon said:

Well, are you going to apologize for wrongly using the dollar sign and then misunderstanding my correction and attributing the error to me? Are you going to show humility and shut up?

This is not an accurate summary of events. I already explained why I had made that mistake.

That quote is actually closer to being "not even wrong", in that it doesn't address the issue and is barely coherent. Since you asked, different organizations don't come up with different numbers; in the vast majority of cases, they're reporting the numbers as provided by the country in question. Where do you see anyone adding 2017 and 2016 data? What were you addressing with "70% of growth, not 70% of GDP"? Be honest, you didn't even know what was being spoken about.
We can also talk about "US deficit was a very simply problem to solve", you'll learn a lot.

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$37 million yuan is clearly a TYPO in that it said "yuan" like it meant, but habitually included a $ as we were talking about money, like when you forget to capitalize. Also like your ending sentence, when you should have used a semicolon but you used a comma. Normally, people know that the $ in $37 million yuan is a typo, but I can see how that might be confusing to someone of your level. I'm sorry.

Typos and being flat out wrong are wholly different in the level of error. You can find typos in everybody's writing, but when you write an entire sentence and the unambiguous meaning is opposite to reality, that's embarrassing, doesn't happen that often (to most members except Anvrylthing, who also famously said that supercomputers were just a matter of hooking up normal computers to each other) and represents when you need to shut up and be humble. That's the type of mistake you made, before you proceeded to go into twisted logic for why that made you "right."

You're right about one thing though; I have no idea what the hell he was talking about because everything he says is nonsense, oftentimes, provably so. When members make mistakes like that I have confidence that whenever they call something out, it's wrong. So when he said it "doesn't add up," and he posted figures for 2016 to an article about 2017 economics, I though he might have added 2016's numbers to 2017 numbers and it didn't add up, or that he saw the figure and thought that the reason that is doesn't add up is that 37 trillion yuan is far less than 70% of GDP when it was growth. Anyway, I knew it "didn't add up" for him because he was adding the wrong numbers, and the end result was that was exactly what happened. Whether that was caused by his failure to understand what something meant before challenging it like you did, we can ask him... or not. He's wrong so often I don't really care why.

So... different organizations do have different numbers; in 2016, the IMF and World bank have slightly different figures for each nation's GDP. For example, China is listed as 11,232,108 (US$MM) by the IMF and 11,199,145 by the World Bank in 2016. () So you said I was wrong, then when challenged to find where, you produced another sentence that was contrary to fact and could have been avoided by a quick Google/wiki search. Old habits die hard, eh? First time I caught you, I enjoyed smearing it in your face for your attitude. But when they happen too often, it gets old. I'll just say you're wrong again.

Oh, really? I'm gonna "learn" from a US deficit discussion with you? LOL How? You gonna write a paragraph of BS, then follow it up with. "You didn't know that, right? Bet you didn't know that before! You learned!!" Haha Your style.

manqiangrexue said:

$37 million yuan is clearly a TYPO in that it said "yuan" like it meant, but habitually included a $ as we were talking about money, like when you forget to capitalize. Also like your ending sentence, when you should have used a semicolon but you used a comma. Normally, people know that the $ in $37 million yuan is a typo, but I can see how that might be confusing to someone of your level. I'm sorry.

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Obviously I knew you made a simple error. My whole point was that anyone can make a mistake and that you should adjust your behavior, particularly when you make plenty of them yourself.
And it was 37 trillion, not million.

Typos and being flat out wrong are wholly different in the level of error. You can find typos in everybody's writing, but when you write an entire sentence and the unambiguous meaning is opposite to reality, that's embarrassing, doesn't happen that often (to most members except Anvrylthing, who also famously said that supercomputers were just a matter of hooking up normal computers to each other) and represents when you need to shut up and be humble. That's the type of mistake you made, before you proceeded to go into twisted logic for why that made you "right."

You're right about one thing though; I have no idea what the hell he was talking about because everything he says is nonsense, oftentimes, provably so. When members make mistakes like that I have confidence that whenever they call something out, it's wrong. So when he said it "doesn't add up," and he posted figures for 2016 to an article about 2017 economics, I though he might have added 2016's numbers to 2017 numbers and it didn't add up, or that he saw the figure and thought that the reason that is doesn't add up is that 37 trillion yuan is far less than 70% of GDP when it was growth. Anyway, I knew it "didn't add up" for him because he was adding the wrong numbers, and the end result was that was exactly what happened. Whether that was caused by his failure to understand what something meant before challenging it like you did, we can ask him... or not. He's wrong so often I don't really care why.

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It's good you admit you didn't know what was being discussed. Starting from there, it's unsurprising you couldn't make a point.

So... different organizations do have different numbers; in 2016, the IMF and World bank have slightly different figures for each nation's GDP. For example, China is listed as 11,232,108 (US$MM) by the IMF and 11,199,145 by the World Bank in 2016. (

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) So you said I was wrong, then when challenged to find where, you produced another sentence that was contrary to fact and could have been avoided by a quick Google/wiki search. Old habits die hard, eh? First time I caught you, I enjoyed smearing it in your face for your attitude. But when they happen too often, it gets old. I'll just say you're wrong again.

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No, I said that "different organizations don't come up with different numbers; in the vast majority of cases, they're reporting the numbers as provided by the country in question", which is true. I could go into why the GDP numbers differ slightly, but it's irrelevant to the discussion and I know you don't care. In any case, you were responding to a different statistic and discrepancies of the order of one percent would have been immaterial.

Oh, really? I'm gonna "learn" from a US deficit discussion with you? LOL How? You gonna write a paragraph of BS, then follow it up with. "You didn't know that, right? Bet you didn't know that before! You learned!!" Haha Your style.

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If you're up to it, here are three questions.
1. What is the cause of the US deficit?
2. Why is it a problem?
3. What will happen if they don't deal with it?
Simple enough.

Klon said:

Obviously I knew you made a simple error. My whole point was that anyone can make a mistake and that you should adjust your behavior, particularly when you make plenty of them yourself.
And it was 37 trillion, not million.

It's good you admit you didn't know what was being discussed. Starting from there, it's unsurprising you couldn't make a point.

No, I said that "different organizations don't come up with different numbers; in the vast majority of cases, they're reporting the numbers as provided by the country in question", which is true. I could go into why the GDP numbers differ slightly, but it's irrelevant to the discussion and I know you don't care. In any case, you were responding to a different statistic and discrepancies of the order of one percent would have been immaterial.

If you're up to it, here are three questions.
1. What is the cause of the US deficit?
2. Why is it a problem?
3. What will happen if they don't deal with it?
Simple enough.

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I make plenty of typos, and you make plenty of factually inaccurate statements. It's the attitude you'll get when you make factually inaccurate statements and try to brush them off as "If it had meant what I thought it meant, I would have been right and you would have gotten it wrong too." By the way, trillion/million? Good eye for catching typos; maybe you should remove your microscope and try to catch the entire sentences that you wrote which were wrong in their entirety.

I made a point. That he's wrong. It's pretty cool too, because it was such a mess what he wrote that I didn't even have to pinpoint his mistake to know that. I just looked at his history of being confident and wrong, and I assumed that he was. And I was right. Good point in psychology (past behavior predicts future behavior), if nothing else. Which, by the way, is as pertinent a topic to the Korean Peninsula as US-China economics.

No, you were wrong again. You said they didn't come up with different numbers and they did, and I provided evidence. So you were wrong. You then proceeded to restate how they didn't report different numbers while adding that the difference was only one percent. Good job. I don't need you to go into any additional detail about how each one operates or how those different numbers were arrived at to try to obfuscate how wrong you were... again.

OK. So those questions, I'm gonna need you to print them out... on cardboard... and put 'em where the sun don't shine. Because you're not my instructor and I will not play any question-answer games with you. If you have something to say, just say it.

manqiangrexue said:

OK. So those questions, I'm gonna need you to print them out... on cardboard... and put 'em where the sun don't shine. Because you're not my instructor and I will not play any question-answer games with you. If you have something to say, just say it.

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So far you've adequately shown that you know nothing about the relevant topics. If you can't answer the most basic questions about an issue, don't make comments about it.

Klon said:

So far you've adequately shown that you know nothing about the relevant topics. If you can't answer the most basic questions about an issue, don't make comments about it.

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I can't and I won't are different things. For example, Klon, what is your name, address, social security number, credit card number, date of expiration, and 3 digit verification code on the back? If you don't answer, I guess that makes you mentally incapacitated as a grown man who can't even answer the most basic questions about himself.

Anybody can answer your questions; it's a matter of how detailed that person gets and whether he has to check reference materials (which, by the way, is great to do; what's not great is foregoing the reference check and being wrong). It's a pointless game and I know you only want to play because you hope that I'll say something factually wrong so you can finally claim that I live in a "glass house."

The only claims that I have made about the US deficit were that
1. It's not a simple problem to solve. Evidence: No administration has been able to solve it and most can't even dent it.
2. The US cannot solve it or benefit itself by trade war with China. Evidence: They haven't.

Now I realize that my points have a caveat of maintaining a healthy economy. If you don't care about that, you can cut off trade with everyone and by definition, no trade = no trade deficit, but that would wreck the economy. That would actually qualify as "simple" as per Anvslthgn's favorite phrase.

I don't need a lot of knowledge on economics to know those 2 points but even if I knew nothing, it's still better than you, "knowing" things that are wrong.

manqiangrexue said:

I can't and I won't are different things. For example, Klon, what is your name, address, social security number, credit card number, date of expiration, and 3 digit verification code on the back? If you don't answer, I guess that makes you mentally incapacitated as a grown man who can't even answer the most basic questions about himself.

Anybody can answer your questions; it's a matter of how detailed that person gets and whether he has to check reference materials. It's a pointless game.

The only claims that I have made about the US deficit were that
1. It's not a simple problem to solve. Evidence: No administration has been able to solve it and most can't even dent it.
2. The US cannot solve it or benefit itself by trade war with China. Evidence: They haven't.

Now I realize that my points have a caveat of maintaining a healthy economy. If you don't care about that, you can cut off trade with everyone and by definition, no trade = no trade deficit, but that would wreck the economy. That would actually qualify as "simple" as per Anvslthgn's favorite phrase.

I don't need a lot of knowledge on economics to know those 2 points but even if I knew nothing, it's still better than you, "knowing" things that are wrong.

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It could be an interesting discussion.
1. This is what my second question was about: why is it a problem?
2. Like you said, can't or won't aren't the same.

3. I'd appreciate if you could answer at least my first question: where does the deficit come from?

Klon said:

It could be an interesting discussion.
1. This is what my second question was about: why is it a problem?
2. Like you said, can't or won't aren't the same.

3. I'd appreciate if you could answer at least my first question: where does the deficit come from?

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OK Cool. Firstly, I don't want to discuss things for the sake of discussing things, especially when they are sooooo far away from being relevant to the topic of Sino-Korean relations. I wish none of this happened; we were good and on topic until Anvsnligh came and now everything is a total off-topic mess. I wish a mod would delete everything, but I got baited into this stupid discussion because he kept saying ridiculous things including how China's tech can't ever catch up because supercomputers are just regular computers hooked up to each other, how China would meet its maker (some nonsense religious reference) and how the China-Korea relationship depends on the US being willing to sell/buy things. I'm not even particularly interested in the US trade deficit so even if a thread were opened for it, I wouldn't check there. If you asked a question to bait me into that discussion, I'm not interested. If you wanted an answer for yourself because you're not in the habit of checking things that you don't understand, see here:

First article that comes up has a promising title, doesn't it? Enjoy