China's strategic vulnerabilities

Interesting blog post on how Mongolians are reacting to Inner Mongolia protests. I said earlier that Mongolians have been fueling anti-China nationalism. The signs of this is already there. It seems they will be mobilizing to hype up Inner Mongolia issue to create more anti-China backlash in Mongolia.

The blog post talks how China has been extremely handsoff with Mongolia even though they hold the absolute economic advantage over it. But it seems to me that sooner or later China will have to fix the Mongolia problem. An anti-China and pro-western democratic Mongolia simply cannot exist in China's backyard. If they do, they will constantly take anti-China actions.

Sooner or later China will have to either put strong economic coercion to topple democracy in Mongolia or warn Russia to force their Vassal to behave. The only reason China doesn't fully takeover Mongolia is Russia. Its a Russian Vassal state under Russian protection that tries to woo the west. This kind of scenario simply cannot continue when Both China and Russia are now struggling against western domination.

tamsen_ikard said:

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Interesting blog post on how Mongolians are reacting to Inner Mongolia protests. I said earlier that Mongolians have been fueling anti-China nationalism. The signs of this is already there. It seems they will be mobilizing to hype up Inner Mongolia issue to create more anti-China backlash in Mongolia.

The blog post talks how China has been extremely handsoff with Mongolia even though they hold the absolute economic advantage over it. But it seems to me that sooner or later China will have to fix the Mongolia problem. An anti-China and pro-western democratic Mongolia simply cannot exist in China's backyard. If they do, they will constantly take anti-China actions.

Sooner or later China will have to either put strong economic coercion to topple democracy in Mongolia or warn Russia to force their Vassal to behave. The only reason China doesn't fully takeover Mongolia is Russia. Its a Russian Vassal state under Russian protection that tries to woo the west. This kind of scenario simply cannot continue when Both China and Russia are now struggling against western domination.

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Mongolia is dirt poor. Even if a small minority of people has complaint about the CCP in Inner Mongolia, none of them would really think that life style and standard of living in Outer Mongolia is anywhere near that of Inner Mongolia. Those activists are actually only seeking to milk out more benefits and attention from the central government in Beijing, they are using those supports from outer Mongolia only as a tool. Outer Mongolia is by no mean a competitor in any stretch of the word, when it comes to demonstrating which way of life/government is better.

In fact, I believe the CCP would love to see those dirt poor corrupt outer Mongolians start preaching their "democracy" and anti-China sentiments. It will only work to undermine themselves and their talk points. Just like nobody, not even the lowest self-hating comprador Chinese in China who kiss the shoes of the West for a living, will dare to use India as an example to promote democracy in China. Even these scums knows how not to undermine their own argument.

jimmyjames30x30 said:

Mongolia is dirt poor. Even if a small minority of people has complaint about the CCP in Inner Mongolia, none of them would really think that life style and standard of living in Outer Mongolia is anywhere near that of Inner Mongolia. Those activists are actually only seeking to milk out more benefits and attention from the central government in Beijing, they are using those supports from outer Mongolia only as a tool. Outer Mongolia is by no mean a competitor in any stretch of the word, when it comes to demonstrating which way of life/government is better.

In fact, I believe the CCP would love to see those dirt poor corrupt outer Mongolians start preaching their "democracy" and anti-China sentiments. It will only work to undermine themselves and their talk points. Just like nobody, not even the lowest self-hating comprador Chinese in China who kiss the shoes of the West for a living, will dare to use India as an example to promote democracy in China. Even these scums knows how not to undermine their own argument.

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Its not about which way of life is better. Its about glorifying their past conquest of the Chinese, creating xenophobia about the Chinese, glorifying their own identity as superior to the chinese then creating separatist tendencies among ethnic Mongolians in China. All of these things are already happening. Slowly but surely there is a chance that this desire for ethnic glory will lead the ethnic mongols to start to destabilize inner Mongolia itself with terrorism and guerrilla warfare for independence. That's why it is so important to neutralize Mongolia itself and also the glorification of Mongol conquests of China. This language policy was very important to nip this problem in the bud but China will have to do more to end ethnic mongol separatism.

tamsen_ikard said:

Its not about which way of life is better. Its about glorifying their past conquest of the Chinese, creating xenophobia about the Chinese, glorifying their own identity as superior to the chinese then creating separatist tendencies among ethnic Mongolians in China. All of these things are already happening. Slowly but surely there is a chance that this desire for ethnic glory will lead the ethnic mongols to start to destabilize inner Mongolia itself with terrorism and guerrilla warfare for independence. That's why it is so important to neutralize Mongolia itself and also the glorification of Mongol conquests of China. This language policy was very important to nip this problem in the bud but China will have to do more to end ethnic mongol separatism.

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That's just idiotic. Dirt poor Mongolians can dream all they want. But what truly runs the world is real power. What real power does Mongolians have? Population size? Economic status? Military Prowess? What you're saying sounds more like an uninformed Westerner's wet dream.

The real reason why I don't give a damn about them, is because of this: outer Mongolians are much poorer than Chinese citizens of Mongol ethnicity, and ethnic mongols in China are poorer than Han Chinese in Inner Mongolia.

What’s more important is that the combined populations of ethnic Mongolians in China and outer Mongolians are less than ethnic Han Chinese in Inner Mongolia. There aren't much you can do with this kind of disadvantage. Nor is the Mongolian population in China so poor that they can be bought into causing real problems in China.

Yes, of course they have wet dreams all day all they want. Just like those self-hating Chinese compradors in the West. It has long been proven by fact and reality that their ideology of overwhelming Western Superiority is nothing but wet dreams. Just like these Mongol idiots who really think that they are in any ways like the Mongol Horde of 13th century.

Besides, they have been in servitude of Han Chinese and Manchus much longer than the reverse.

tamsen_ikard said:

Its not about which way of life is better. Its about glorifying their past conquest of the Chinese, creating xenophobia about the Chinese, glorifying their own identity as superior to the chinese then creating separatist tendencies among ethnic Mongolians in China. All of these things are already happening. Slowly but surely there is a chance that this desire for ethnic glory will lead the ethnic mongols to start to destabilize inner Mongolia itself with terrorism and guerrilla warfare for independence. That's why it is so important to neutralize Mongolia itself and also the glorification of Mongol conquests of China. This language policy was very important to nip this problem in the bud but China will have to do more to end ethnic mongol separatism.

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It's kinda like those Taiwanese who think the whole damn world revolves around Taiwan. They also think that all high technology comes from Taiwan. They even think that without Taiwanese technology, the PLA won't be able to operate. Do you expect me to believe them.

jimmyjames30x30 said:

That's just idiotic. Dirt poor Mongolians can dream all they want. But what truly runs the world is real power. What real power does Mongolians have? Population size? Economic status? Military Prowess? What you're saying sounds more like an uninformed Westerner's wet dream.

The real reason why I don't give a damn about them, is because of this: outer Mongolians are much poorer than Chinese citizens of Mongol ethnicity, and ethnic mongols in China are poorer than Han Chinese in Inner Mongolia.

What’s more important is that the combined populations of ethnic Mongolians in China and outer Mongolians are less than ethnic Han Chinese in Inner Mongolia. There aren't much you can do with this kind of disadvantage. Nor is the Mongolian population in China so poor that they can be bought into causing real problems in China.

Yes, of course they have wet dreams all day all they want. Just like those self-hating Chinese compradors in the West. It has long been proven by fact and reality that their ideology of overwhelming Western Superiority is nothing but wet dreams. Just like these Mongol idiots who really think that they are in any ways like the Mongol Horde of 13th century.

Besides, they have been in servitude of Han Chinese and Manchus much longer than the reverse.

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I think you are thinking in more drastic terms than me. I am not talking about ethnic mongols in Inner Mongolia somehow declaring independence. That will never happen. But what can happen is what was happening in Xinjiang, which is separatism, animosity between Han and Mongols, terrorism, destabilization. Its just adds more challenges for China's development. It doesn't matter how dirt poor Mongolians are, they can still foment ideas of ethnic glory, terrorism and separatism.

tamsen_ikard said:

I think you are thinking in more drastic terms than me. I am not talking about ethnic mongols in Inner Mongolia somehow declaring independence. That will never happen. But what can happen is what was happening in Xinjiang, which is separatism, animosity between Han and Mongols, terrorism, destabilization. Its just adds more challenges for China's development. It doesn't matter how dirt poor Mongolians are, they can still foment ideas of ethnic glory, terrorism and separatism.

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I think it is tempest in tea pot There is no separation tendency in Mongolia they join China on free will. They wer given chance to separate from China when Mongolia state created by the Soviet Union
The following collapse of communism with their attendance of poverty in Mongolia confirm they make the right decision.

Thing are returning to normal now kids are back in the school under threat of expulsion and threat of layoff to parents who support boycott.

I mean compare to MOngolia you see the vestiges of Mongolian culture everywhere in MOngolia they are not going to loose the languages completely ok it might diminish
But that can be said the same of the Han Chinese dialect they are in decline due to homogenizing effect of modern school, media, commerce, entertainment etc. Even worse Han Chinese dialect is not taught at all in school

tamsen_ikard said:

I think you are thinking in more drastic terms than me. I am not talking about ethnic mongols in Inner Mongolia somehow declaring independence. That will never happen. But what can happen is what was happening in Xinjiang, which is separatism, animosity between Han and Mongols, terrorism, destabilization. Its just adds more challenges for China's development. It doesn't matter how dirt poor Mongolians are, they can still foment ideas of ethnic glory, terrorism and separatism.

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Xinjiang is very different from Inner Mongolia. First of all, if you look at the population distribution, Xinjiang is a remote outpost compare to Inner Mongolia. The Han Chinese population has never been the majority in Xinjiang, making it a real non-Han ethnic majority. Xinjiang also has a very different culture, religion and race from the rest of the country.

Mongolian are mongoloid, same as Han Chinese, Tibetans, Manchu, south western Chinese minorities (Hmong, Zhuang, etc), while Uyghur, Tajiki (Pamiris) etc are caucasoid. In terms of religion and culture, both Mongols and Han Chinese, along with Hmong, Zhuang, Tibetans are Buddhists, with a past of shamanism/animism.

Inner Mongolia has been the front line of Sino-soviet confrontation for decades. A lot of China's heavy ground force weapon/equipment production facilities are in Inner Mongolia. When it comes to transportation, Inner Mongolia is by no mean an outpost, it is as inter connected with North China Plain as other major population centers in China.

Extremism and terrorism in Xinjiang are propagated under the guise of religion. While in Inner Mongolia, there are no such religion issue. Buddhism is not the same as Islam. In Buddhism, only Monks find it in themselves to act out political activism. A buddhist is not necessarily a Monk. Most believers of Buddhism are NOT monks, they are patrons/donors of Buddhism (施主). While in Islam, every believer is a Muslim. Muslim are obliged under their religious duty to fight for their religion, while patron/donors of Buddhism (施主) are not, even though both are technically the believers of their respective religions. Therefore, it is much easier to incite Muslims to participate in a Holy War, than Buddhists. In fact, I know not any such "Buddhist Holy Wars" even exists.

I knew a Mongolian family and they believed Xinjiang is Mongolian territory.

AssassinsMace said:

I knew a Mongolian family and they believed Xinjiang is Mongolian territory.

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That's because it was traditionally mongolian. The dzangars that were wiped out by kangxi were a mongol tribe. There are still plenty of Mongols there, that's why we don't like those foreign funded terrorists either.