China's Space Program Thread II

[totenchan]

The first two images are from SAST and the last two are from CASC.

Thank you

 

[taxiya]

The first two images are from SAST and the last two are from CASC.

Do you know whose design is which of the images?

Correction. SAST aka 8th academy is a subsidary of CASC. The second proposal is from CAST aka 5th academy, another subsidary of CASC.

 

[by78]

High-resolution images from the launch of Tianzhou-8 cargo spacecraft, which successfully docked with the Chinese space station.

 

[by78]

China currently has the capacity to produce five tons of liquid hydrogen per day. The capacity is being actively expanded to 30 tons per day.

 

[GulfLander]

From Marco Rubio's research on CN:


Is this accurate? When will the CN reusable rockets be commercially available/used?

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

 

[Blitzo]

From Marco Rubio's research on CN:
View attachment 139501

Is this accurate? When will the CN reusable rockets be commercially available/used?

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

There are like over 10 different reusable rockets in the medium to heavy category that are likely going to have their first flights in the next year or two, of those 3 are from state developers, and the rest commercial. And of those 2-3 of those types have triple core variants that put them in the super-heavy category.



The ones from state developers include:
- CZ-12A
- CZ-12B
- CZ-10/A
(CZ-9 isn't included on this list because it won't be emerging in the next 1-2 years obviously)

From commercial developers include:
- Kinetica 2
- Nebula 1
- Nebula 2
- Pallas 1/B
- Hyperbola 3/B
- ZQ-3
- Gravity 2/3
- TL-3/H

I'd say most of them have a good chance of meeting their goals of launch in the next year or two, particularly those from the state developers and Landspace, Space Pioneer, Deep Blue Aerospace, and Orienspace

In terms of comparing payload to orbit, this discussion has been had before and I don't want this thread to be derailed too much like before. However, as previously discussed, SpaceX deserves credit for their achievements, however the majority of their missions are Starlink satellites, which while they certainly possess significant utility as an orbital internet system and they assist in squatting on orbital placements, they are individually not particularly medium end or even high end in terms of sophistication for imaging, SAR, or ELINT or communications nodes.
Matching high end payloads to orbital launch capability is something that has yet to be achieved, which if done would more genuinely augment a nation's orbital/space power.

The thing to watch in the future (including as the PRC ramps up their own reusable first stage rockets) will be what proportion of rockets carry higher end payloads versus G60/Guowang, Starlink style payloads.

 

[GulfLander]

There are like over 10 different reusable rockets in the medium to heavy category that are likely going to have their first flights in the next year or two, of those 3 are from state developers, and the rest commercial. And of those 2-3 of those types have triple core variants that put them in the super-heavy category.

Matching high end payloads to orbital launch capability is something that has yet to be achieved, which if done would more genuinely augment a nation's orbital/space power.

The thing to watch in the future (including as the PRC ramps up their own reusable first stage rockets) will be what proportion of rockets carry higher end payloads versus G60/Guowang, Starlink style payloads.

Do you think CN will outpace US in terms of payload and launches per year in the next 5 years?

 

[Blitzo]

Do you think CN will outpace US in terms of payload and launches per year in the next 5 years?

I doubt it, for both of them.
However, as I wrote in my last post, what is worth considering is the types of payloads that are actually being launched, which can skew the "value" of the loads being put into orbit more in one direction or another.

 

[no_name]

I suspect a lot of the US launches are from Musk's starlink network.

Also it matters what units the payloads launched are in. Are they weight or just aggregated number of objects in space irrespective of individual size/weight?

 

[GulfLander]

I doubt it, for both of them.
However, as I wrote in my last post, what is worth considering is the types of payloads that are actually being launched, which can skew the "value" of the loads being put into orbit more in one direction or another.

Yeah, i was just asking abt it, bcoz i just thought seeing a tweet talking abt "Lauch Business" for satellites of other countries..