China's Space Program Thread II

Helius

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taxiya said:
The slide shows "Ангара" in Cyrillic which is Angara. But there is no variant of Angara being on the same class as CZ-9, active or proposed.

I think we should not be too serious of the slide. These Angaras are just placeholders of any heavy lift Russian rockets for Russian payloads.
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Problem is there aren't any Russian super heavies in the CZ-9 or SLS class that's lunar-capable other than the Yenisei, for the types of payload as set out by the ILRS roadmap, that is.

Technically the Proton-M could launch a Syouz to lunar orbit, but Roscosmos is retiring it for the Angara, but again not for lunar missions.

... Which makes the mention of Angara in the slide even more peculiar like you said.

But most crucially, CZ-9 is pretty much set, and 2030-2035 seems very soon at this stage to still have speculative projections on launch vehicles from the Russian side that may or may not yet be available for something as major as the ILRS that's presumably already been (or ought to have been) well mapped out by this point.
 
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Helius said:
Problem is there aren't any Russian super heavies in the CZ-9 or SLS class that's lunar-capable other than the Yenisei, for the types of payload as set out by the ILRS roadmap, that is.

Technically the Proton-M could launch a Syouz to lunar orbit, but Roscosmos is retiring it for the Angara, but again not for lunar missions.

... Which makes the mention of Angara in the slide even more peculiar like you said.

But most crucially, CZ-9 is pretty much set, and 2030-2035 seems very soon at this stage to still have speculative projections on launch vehicles from the Russian side that may or may not yet be available for something as major as the ILRS that's presumably already been (or ought to have been) well mapped out by this point.
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The slides are taken from here
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page 4 and 5.
The source does not say anything more though.

My speculation is that CZ-9 and Yenisei are either or, which means whichever is ready on the time gets the launch mission. ILRS1-5 payloads are to be designed in standard that fits any launcher. So even though Yenisei is a big question mark, the program is in no jeopardy therefor the author does not bother the accuracy, nor should we.

BTW, I should not have said "Russian payload" in my previous post. ILRS1-5 are jointly designed missions, so the size and mass are standardized.
 
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taxiya said:
The slides are taken from here
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page 4 and 5.
The source does not say anything more though.

My speculation is that CZ-9 and Yenisei are either or, which means whichever is ready on the time gets the launch mission. ILRS1-5 payloads are to be designed in standard that fits any launcher. So even though Yenisei is a big question mark, the program is in no jeopardy therefor the author does not bother the accuracy, nor should we.

BTW, I should not have said "Russian payload" in my previous post. ILRS1-5 are jointly designed missions, so the size and mass are standardized.
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Nothing wrong with what you said, but the programme being in "jeopardy" isn't really a concern with my point. The issue, however small of one since it's just a slide anyway, was the mere inclusion of Russian heavies in the ILRS roadmap at all, innocuous as it may seem in its accuracy (or the lack thereof), which may yet turn out to be misleading anyway, since this isn't realistically an "either the CZ-9 or the Yenisei" proposition.

At least from latest reporting the Yenisei is still behind in its development relative to CZ-9 that it more likely than not won't be available in the 2030-2035 time frame to even factor this 'alternating launches between Chinese and Russian heavies' approach into consideration.

Judging by their respective progress thus far, it looks even more likely CZ-9 would be the sole vehicle for the majority of ILRS1-5, if not all.

Still, if only for illustrative purposes and little else, I get the intention behind including the Yenisei or Angara or whatever for more reasons than one, in an internationally-facing presentation on a joint-lunar programme no less.
 
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The 73rd International Astronautical Congress (IAC) was held in Paris, France. Wang Qiong, a researcher at the Lunar Exploration and Space Engineering Center of the China National Space Administration (CNSA), presented China's mission plans for future lunar exploration, lunar research station construction and planetary exploration in a report titled "China's Lunar Exploration and Deep Space Exploration Project" released on Tuesday.

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"Now is the time for us to embark on an expedition to the sea of stars in the name of mankind and build a community of shared future for mankind."
 
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xlitter said:
The 73rd International Astronautical Congress (IAC) was held in Paris, France. Wang Qiong, a researcher at the Lunar Exploration and Space Engineering Center of the China National Space Administration (CNSA), presented China's mission plans for future lunar exploration, lunar research station construction and planetary exploration in a report titled "China's Lunar Exploration and Deep Space Exploration Project" released on Tuesday.

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"Now is the time for us to embark on an expedition to the sea of stars in the name of mankind and build a community of shared future for mankind."
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You are a week late. Please go back a few pages (starting with page 7) to make sure what you're about to share hasn't already been covered by others.
 
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An official 1:100 scale model of the YF-100 engine.

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