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taxiya

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Does anyone have info about that new Long March rocket in Angara 1.2, F9, Zenit category whats supposed have it's first flight by 2023? I saw few pics on nasa spaceflight forums but there wasnt much info.

I assume it's supposedly replacing Long March 3/4 series.
What do you mean by "Angara 1.2, F9, Zenit category"? Their LEO payloads are very different from 13 tonnes to > 20 tonnes. This range is covered by various CZ rockets including CZ-2, CZ-3, CZ-7, CZ-8 and CZ-5. CZ-4 is not in the category. CZ-7/8/5 are very new, there is no new replacement as far as I know, nor have I heard any rumor. CZ-7/8 are the replacements of CZ-3/4.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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Did you actually read the blog?

Yes, the Starship is suboptimal for Mars missions, but it technically can work.
The crucial thing is that Elon Musk already knows this.

Mars colonisation is just the marketing gimmick in the future.
The first versions of Starship will be focused on purely lowering LEO launch costs to $100/kg. That will be a game changer.
Afterwards, they'll likely develop different Starship versions or a new vehicle for Earth-Mars and/or Earth-Moon transits.
I cited that blog only because it was a source, not because I agree 100% with it. In reality from my own engineering judgement (which you may rightfully regard as suspect but if you look at my contribution to the semiconductor thread, it may be at least worth considering) I think the Starship has several huge flaws:

1. The bellyflop landing maneuver is bad because unlike every other reentry vehicle it exposes the maximum cross section to the heat load rather than the minimum cross section. This means greater total area heated and higher total chance of failure, given equal failure chance per heat shield element.

2. The bellyflop landing is also bad because of the complex aerodynamic forces with an oddly shaped cross section in the airstream that has very minimal control surfaces.

3. The landing is still powered which means need to keep fuel reserves. But the last unit of fuel is more payload deltaV than the first unit of fuel since it doesn't have to push other fuel.

4. The fuel tank design with shared fuel and oxidizer walls is a bad choice. The shared wall is weaker in the convex direction. 2 concave walls in a non shared configuration is stronger but wouldn't meet his requirements.

5. From previous launch footage, there are multiple engine restart failures, presence of green flames (showing metal vaporization), outright explosions, etc.

6. It has worked only once in a 10 km (10000 m) single stage landing attempt. This is not even close to a full reentry test which so far more complicated, and even a full reentry is far simpler than a full launch. Historical precedent is against it.
 

iantsai

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The first group of second-generation Leidian (internal code) SIGINT satellites, 11 years after SJ-6 group 4 launch...
Yes you are right, it's the no.5 group of Shijian-6 series satellites, and each group has two satellites.
 

Broccoli

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What do you mean by "Angara 1.2, F9, Zenit category"? Their LEO payloads are very different from 13 tonnes to > 20 tonnes. This range is covered by various CZ rockets including CZ-2, CZ-3, CZ-7, CZ-8 and CZ-5. CZ-4 is not in the category. CZ-7/8/5 are very new, there is no new replacement as far as I know, nor have I heard any rumor. CZ-7/8 are the replacements of CZ-3/4.

This one.
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by78

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High-resolution images of the 400th launch of the Long March series.

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SanWenYu

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Any word yet on that mystery moon cube that Chinese probes spotted?

It's going to take the Yutu-2 rover 1 to 1.5 months to get there.

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经过测量,“神秘小屋”距离当下位置约80米,玉兔二号将前往“神秘小屋”一探究竟,预计经过两到三个月昼的行驶就可以到达目的地。
"The 'mysterious hut' is about 80 meters from where the Yutu-2 rover is. It will take Yutu-2 two to three moon days to reach it and have a look." (1 day on moon is about 14 days on earth).
 
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