As I've said before, the problem are the glass hearts who can't handle the "impudence" of a laowai to paint the self-anointed beacon of civilization, a.k.a. Zhonghua Minzu in a way that makes it lose face. No matter if the facts check out: if you "dishonor" them, they will make you suffer.
China's Space Program News Thread
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Hendrik_2000
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From Henrk K blog China press on with building (NOSS)Naval ocean surveillance satellite system
The 8th triplet of the military constellation YG-30 will be launched on May 7 at around 2:07 am local time. The launch will take place at the Xichang Space Center, using a CZ-2C rocket.
The 8th triplet of the military constellation YG-30 will be launched on May 7 at around 2:07 am local time. The launch will take place at the Xichang Space Center, using a CZ-2C rocket.
Last time they all made so much noises when China retired its Tiangong-? spacelab as if the spacecraft would fall upon their heads if anyone still retains such memory, this time they acted with no difference upon the launch of China's actual space station. Less mentioned is they have worry/resentment/envy/... that soon China will operate its own space station independently while their current joint space station may just last for next few years and Russia already said they won't carry on the ISS cooperation.I am fuming about this. On one hand, the booster is a concern on other hand, the space station barely got any coverage except for the booster ...
Best for China is just going on with its programs and ignore all the sinister parties. Success is the best and the strongest statement. This is not the first time, and Chinese people should experience enough to simply ignore their many barkings.
“The dogs bark, but the caravan goes on.”
Can we put a moratorium on the 'bad china, no cookie' posts over the rocket stage until it actually hits something? good grief. smh.
For what its worth
"The , a UN treaty, imposes liability on “launching states” for damage caused by their space objects, which includes an absolute liability regime when they crash to Earth as debris".
"In the case of the Long March 5B, this would impose potential liability on China. The treaty has only been invoked once before () and therefore may not be regarded as a powerful disincentive. However, it is likely to come into play in the future in a more crowded space environment, and with more uncontrolled reentries. Of course, this legal framework applies only after the damage occurs."
on a lighter note from the same article
Australia already holds the record in the category of “who can be hit by the biggest piece of space junk”. In 1979, the 77-tonne US space station SkyLab , peppering the area around the southern coastal town of Esperance with fragments.
At the time, the event was met with with excitement and a sense of lightheartedness, and many pieces were collected by space enthusiasts. Esperance shire council flippantly issued NASA with a , and a US radio station later raised enough money to pay the debt.
Hendrik_2000
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As predicted China launched Yaogan 30 NOSS
A Long March-2C launch vehicle launched a new group of three Yaogan-30 remote sensing satellites from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center, Sichuan Province, southwest China, on 6 May 2021, at 18:11 UTC (7 May, 02:11 local time). The satellites (遥感三十号08) will work as part of a constellation for electromagnetic environment detection and related technological tests. According to official sources, the satellites have entered the planned orbits. The rocket also launched the Tianqi-12 (天启星座12, part of the Tianqi/Apocalypse Constellation) Credit: China Central Television (CCTV)
A Long March-2C launch vehicle launched a new group of three Yaogan-30 remote sensing satellites from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center, Sichuan Province, southwest China, on 6 May 2021, at 18:11 UTC (7 May, 02:11 local time). The satellites (遥感三十号08) will work as part of a constellation for electromagnetic environment detection and related technological tests. According to official sources, the satellites have entered the planned orbits. The rocket also launched the Tianqi-12 (天启星座12, part of the Tianqi/Apocalypse Constellation) Credit: China Central Television (CCTV)
Love the quotation. Conversely a dog that barks doen't bite!
The only thing that I consider a plus that Blue Origin is doing is being awarded a contract from DARPA for a nuclear spacecraft design.
Only problem I have with Musk is that he says some very controversial things like astronauts will do just fine in Europa when being exposed to the radiation belt of Jupiter and suggest Solar power travel which is absolutely horrible for deep space travel. Not saying he is a fraud but he is more like trampoline man Rogozin representing a company. He did personally fly to Russia to copy one of their engine designs. When the Amur rockets get completed where launching two will still be cheaper with more payload ,might push Space X for a cheaper design. Lets say Space X does offer a cheaper design Russia created a new design bureau to launch fly wing designs that if krylo-sv is launched successfully they will launch bigger designs which to me present new generation of rockets that glide back to earth sounds cheaper than using half of fuel to orbit and half fuel to land back.
Wonder why DARPA and NASA feel the need to go the Russian way of going nuclear instead of sticking to the Space X way to go chemical? They will have newer heavy rockets like Yenisei and Don which might be used to carry bigger nuclear plant spacecraft designs than Nuklon which for all we know can possibly be manned(maybe China will get involved). Only perks nukes have is faster time to get to Mars, no need for a bunch of refueling stations and no need to create fuel on Mars to go get launched out of Mars. Wonder if their astronauts have a lot of patience being in space.
Chemical rockets are the only choice at present for boosting large payloads to earth orbit, but you pay a massive penalty in the weight of the oxidiser.
Once mostly free of earth's gravity there are much better options, for example if the Chinese PV panels are at 30% efficiency and they can upscale the hall effect thrusters they have in the Tianhe they can effectively create 'a space tug' to the moon just leave a 'satellite' in orbit that gets refuelled with propellent and docks with moon bound payloads launched to low earth orbit and shunts it to moon it could pick up an earth bound payload on the return trip. If they can effectively mine the moon for propellent then they can reduce the need for propellent launches from earth and cash in on the 'gravity premium'. It would make the reuse of boosters look mickey mouse!
Now if you substitute/augment the PV panels with a nuclear power source you have something that would work better/more effectively at longer distances from the sun.
This is the essence of technology leap frogging, you'll still need effective chemical boosters to low earth orbit but that's not where the inflexion point in space technology will be, good enough LEO launchers can suffice if you don't need to carry oxidiser and fuel, just fuel, negating any advantages that big chemical boosters might have.
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