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Hendrik_2000

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Next year they will launch 6 more Compass satellite. By then it should have the same accuracy as GPS and cover practically all of Asia Pacific region. A milestone indeed. Next year Yaogan series will also be completed
This article mention the Haagt Durnin article that I posted in the end of Carrier thread

China Launches Own Global Positioning System

By JEREMY PAGE
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BEIJING—China has begun operating a homegrown satellite navigation service that is designed to provide an alternative to the U.S. Global Positioning System and, according to defense experts, could help the Chinese military to identify, track and strike U.S. ships in the region in the event of armed conflict.

An orbiter is launched from the Xichang Satellite Launch Center in China's Sichuan Province, in January 2010. It was the third orbiter that China has launched for its independent satellite navigation and positioning network.

The Beidou Navigation Satellite System started providing initial positioning, navigation and timing services to China and its "surrounding areas" on Tuesday, Ran Chengqi, a spokesman for the system, told a news conference.

He said China had so far launched 10 satellites for the Beidou system, including one this month, and planned to put six more in orbit in 2012 to enhance the system's accuracy and expand its service to cover most of the Asia Pacific region.

The system isn't as believed to be as accurate as the U.S. GPS. Nonetheless, China has made significant advances in the field thanks to a spate of satellite launches since 2009, according to a paper by Eric Hagt and Matthew Durnin published in the Journal of Strategic Studies in October.

"Although China still has a long way to go before it has continuous real-time tactical coverage, even of a regional maritime environment, it now has frequent and dependable coverage of stationary targets and at least a basic ability to identify, track and target vessels at sea," they wrote.

"Based purely on capabilities, with a space-based reconnaissance system as the backbone, China is clearly acquiring greater ability not only to defend against intruding aircraft carriers but to project force as well."

China's Ministry of Defense didn't immediately respond to a request for comment. Beidou—which means Big Dipper in Mandarin—is run by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corp., one of the main state-owned contractors for the Chinese space program, which is largely controlled by the Chinese military.

China began building Beidou in 2000 with the goal of creating its own global system—called Compass—with 35 satellites, by 2020. The only other operational global system apart from GPS is Russia's Glonass, although the European Union's Galileo system is due to be completed by 2020.

Beidou, like GPS, will provide free civilian services that can be used in conjunction with commercially developed applications for use by drivers in private cars, monitor commercial trucks and ships and assist in natural disasters. It has the added advantage of supporting SMS messages, according to Mr. Ran.

He didn't mention potential military applications at the news conference, a transcript of which was provided by the information office of China's State Council, or Cabinet.

But the system will also give the Chinese military an alternative to GPS, which was developed by the Pentagon and is still controlled by the U.S. government. The U.S. could, in theory, disable or deny access to the system by others in the event of a conflict, although it says it never has done so in the past.

Military experts see Beidou as part of China's efforts over the last 15 years to develop capabilities designed to deny or hinder U.S. naval access to waters around its shores in case Washington tries to intervene in a conflict—over Taiwan, for example, which Beijing sees as a rebel province.

The South China Sea is another potential flashpoint as tensions have been rising this year between China and neighboring countries that also claim territorial waters there. Beijing has repeatedly accused the U.S. of meddling in the issue and has warned it to cease surveillance operations in the area.

This year, China confirmed for the first time that it was developing an antiship ballistic missile that the Pentagon says may already be basically operational and eventually capable of hitting a moving aircraft carrier up to 1,700 miles, or 2,700 kilometers, from China's shores.

Beidou could be used in conjunction with other satellites, drones and related technology to help track U.S. ships, position its own submarines and other vessels, and guide antiship ballistic missiles towards their targets, according to military experts.

It also gives China a significant tactical advantage over neighbors with whom it has territorial disputes, including India, which is developing its own regional satellite navigation system but doesn't expect to complete it for several years.

China still lags behind the U.S in terms of how long, and how accurately, it can monitor any part of the globe from space: GPS, which was launched for civilian use in 1995, now consists of 30 satellites and can be accurate to within less than 10 meters, or 33 feet, although the U.S. military has access to more precise readings.

Mr. Ran said Beidou was accurate to within 25 meters and would reduce that to 10 meters by the end of next year. The Chinese military may also have access to more accurate data, but because China has fewer satellites, it cannot monitor the same spot for as long as the U.S.

China's plans to develop a satellite positioning system are thought to date back to 1983 when Ronald Reagan announced plans to build space-based missile-defense systems in what became known as his "Star Wars" speech.

Beijing's plans gained momentum after its military leaders noted the importance of GPS for U.S. forces during the first Gulf War in 1991. Five years later, Chinese military commanders were frustrated when they couldn't locate two carrier groups that the U.S. deployed near Taiwan after China fired missiles into the sea off the island's coast in a failed attempt to influence the outcome of an election there, according to several defense analysts.

China launched the first two satellites of an experimental system called Beidou-1 in 2000 and made it available to civilians in 2004, but the service wasn't popular as its associated devices used to access the system—called terminals—were relatively large and much more expensive than GPS ones.

The system has been used, however, to coordinate the movement of Chinese troops, to help border guards patrol in remote areas, and to track fishing vessels in the South China Sea, according to Chinese state media.

In 2007, China launched the first satellite of its second-generation system, called Beidou-2, which is thought to use cheaper terminals and, unlike its predecessor, doesn't require a ground station.

Mr. Ran said Beidou was now being used by more than 100,000 clients in China and had been used to help track government vehicles in the southern province of Guangdong, and to assist disaster-relief work after an earthquake in the western province of Sichuan in 2008.

He said it was compatible with the world's other major global satellite navigation systems, and encouraged Chinese and foreign enterprises to help develop terminals that could use the Chinese network.

A preliminary version of the system's Interface Control Document, which allows foreign and Chinese entities access to its basic technical data, was made available on the system's website, beidou.gov.cn, from Tuesday, he said.

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The Chinese military may also have access to more accurate data, but because China has fewer satellites, it cannot monitor the same spot for as long as the U.S.
Is the author suggesting that Beidou satellites are not in geo-synchronous orbits? The words used in that sentence are confusing. What does the author mean by "monitor"? Monitor is a word for surveillance satellites, not navigation satellites that are simply broadcasting a radio signal.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Is the author suggesting that Beidou satellites are not in geo-synchronous orbits? The words used in that sentence are confusing. What does the author mean by "monitor"? Monitor is a word for surveillance satellites, not navigation satellites that are simply broadcasting a radio signal.

Based on the present number of satellites, China can monitor constantly any spot in the Pacific for 5 hour. US can monitor the same spot for much longer time I guess something like 8 or 9 hours but certainly not 24 hr. Engineer extract this info based on the article . You can check it at "the end carrier thread" . But you probably have to go many pages back

You can read it yourself this excellent analysis on China space capability
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Is the author suggesting that Beidou satellites are not in geo-synchronous orbits? The words used in that sentence are confusing. What does the author mean by "monitor"? Monitor is a word for surveillance satellites, not navigation satellites that are simply broadcasting a radio signal.

I agree using the word "monitor" don't seem right.

Some of the satellites are in geosynchronous orbits for backward compatibility with Beidou 1. This first operational phase should be able to provide 24 hrs service. Otherwise, it won't be useful enough at all to start initial operation.

From wikipedia,

DescriptionBeiDou-2 is not an extension to the existing BeiDou-1. The new system will be a constellation of 35 satellites, which include 5 geostationary orbit (GEO) satellites, for backward compatibility with BeiDou-1, and 30 non-GSO satellites (27 in Medium Earth Orbit (MEO) and 3 in Inclined GSO (IGSO)),[31] that will offer complete coverage of the globe. There will be two levels of service provided; free service to civilians and licensed service to Chinese government and military users:[13][32]
 

Hendrik_2000

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The author is talking about 2 different thing here.Beidou is certainly 24 hr tracking. But what Jeremy Pages meant is Yaogan series of satelliteor Chinese Ocean surveillance system which is what I allude it to . The author quote the Haagt and Durnin article
 

Hendrik_2000

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This report get off the tangent by talking about the perceived threat posed by China burgeoning Space program.. But isn't it sovereign right of any country to bolster their defense? Still informative as it inform with bigger rocket come better resolution satellite. I believe the new Tianjin rocket factory was finished construction and the prototype model was finished design phase Let see 2012 will be another banner year for Chinese space program with 30 satellites launch

Space Report Touts Tech, Tiptoes Around Military Uses
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By Matt Durnin

Since China shocked the world by obliterating one of its aging weather satellites with a missile in 2007, it has struggled to reassure other countries of its peaceful intentions in space.

That’s the background to a State Council white paper, released on Thursday, that reveals ambitious plans for space exploration over the next five years. As a follow-up to the last such report in 2006, it is partly meant to allay foreign concerns that China’s space program is driven by military calculations.

Among the highlights: an unmanned moon mission that will return lunar soil samples; new space labs; and a home-grown satellite navigation system. These developments will be accompanied by a rapid launch pace with 100 satellites planned for orbit.

Though the tone of the report is celebratory, it’s clear that China realizes that its rapid ascent as a space power requires explanation to outsiders. Military analysts feared that China’s missile strike on its own satellite was the initial shot in a space arms race. Foreign governments fumed over the thousands of pieces of debris created that will threaten spacecraft for generations.

The report falls far short of a mea culpa for the 2007 debacle (the event isn’t mentioned directly), but it seems to attempt some belated damage control. It reaffirms China’s commitment to the peaceful use of space and mentions its plans to help reduce and monitor space debris. Without elaborating, the report states that China will “build a system to protect spacecraft from space debris.”

If China’s space plans come to fruition—and its track record over the last decade puts the odds in its favor—it will possess one of the world’s most robust and diverse space systems, many with military applications. This will be an uncomfortable outcome for those who regard China’s space advances with suspicion.

Yet there is also reason to hope that a spacefaring China will be a stabilizing development. As it becomes more dependent on space, China also has greater incentive to adhere to the rules of the road and to play a positive role in shaping international norms for the final frontier.

The latest white paper tiptoes around the defense applications of China’s space program. The closest it comes to discussing China’s military assets in space is the inclusion of “national security” in the list of purposes for the space program. The technologies mentioned are only discussed in a civilian context, but several of these new capabilities have important consequences on the battlefield as well.

Rockets – To date, the sizes of Chinese satellites have been limited by the relatively weak vehicles that ferry them to space. The Long March-5 rocket, which is slated to enter service in the next five years, will be able to carry a 25-ton payload to lower earth orbit—more than double the capacity of any Chinese rocket currently available. More launch horsepower means that, among other things, China can build larger, higher-resolution reconnaissance satellites.

Also high on the People’s Liberation Army’s wish list are electronic intelligence satellites to monitor and track communication and radar signatures from geosynchronous orbit—a special orbital track 35,000 km from earth that allows persistent coverage of an area on earth. China is currently limited to putting relatively light communication satellites in this orbit.

The report also discusses the Long March-6 rocket, which is designed as a “high-speed response launch vehicle” able to shoot lighter payloads into orbit on short notice. This could allow China to ramp up satellite reconnaissance capabilities following a natural disaster or in the lead up to a potential conflict.

Reconnaissance – The white paper also sheds a flicker of light on a recent uptick in Chinese satellites. The report states that, “In 2010, China formally initiated the development of an important special project – a high-resolution Earth observation system.” Three satellites launched in the last two months are thought to contribute to military reconnaissance and a fourth is expected in January.

Navigation – Following the mantra that real armies don’t stop to ask for directions, China has been developing its own version of the U.S. Global Positioning System. The PLA rightly believes that the United States would degrade or block GPS signals in the event of a conflict. Instead of casting its lot in with the competing systems being built by the EU and Russia, China has struck out on its own. Its Beidou system is scheduled to be functional for the Asia-Pacific region by 2012, and then globally once the last of the 35 satellites are launched in 2020. A satellite positioning system is integral to military operations and particularly important to guidance systems in China’s growing missile force.

Matt Durnin is a Beijing-based researcher at the World Security Institute’s China Program and associate editor of the policy journal China Security. He specializes in China’s defense modernization and space programs.
 

Kurt

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This anti-satellite debate is a bit alarmistic and full of buzz. You can get dangerous loads into space on a quick, cheap and regular basis by utilizing something like Project HARP.(
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) 180km above earth is already low orbit space (there you can pick up speed and energy via gravity slingshot maneuver). Rockets are rather expensive transport vehicles for that purpose, but serve nicely if you just want to make a few shots, not an all-round the clock gun.
So I'm not afraid of the Chinese shooting down their own satellite with a missile, but I'd rather feel uncomfortable if a large HARP gun pops up, such a thing can really weaponize space because you need rather small platforms for destroying large high tech platforms in the orbit. The big problem in reigning all this destruction is localization. As long as we don't have more extensive data I have doubts that the Chinese have yet the ability to destroy any enemy space assets that try utmost to not be hit. In this aspect they have a huge advantage because of the speed involved. Either you are able to do a quick kill with über-precision and high quality sensors or your enemy has time to figure out a solution to the problem.

Now we enter one of my few fields of expertise as a rocket and space enthusiast.:D
 

Hendrik_2000

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Kurt

Those HARP is small missile probably only good to shoot LEO spy satellite For heavy duty work shooting satellite in MEO like GSP satellite you need 3 stage large missile
Anyway that is beside the point.
Barely one week in the new year China resume the launching of satellite This time around Zhiyuan high-resolution civilian remote sensing satellites, and small mini satellite

China opens 2012 with ZiYuan-3 launch via Long March 4B
January 8th, 2012 by Rui C. Barbosa

China launched a new high-resolution remote sensing satellite on Monday at 03:17 UTC using the Long March 4B (Chang Zheng-4B -Y26) launch vehicle from the Taiyuan Satellite Launch Center. According to the official Xinhua News Agency, the ZiYuan-3 its first high-resolution geological mapping satellite, to be used for civil purposes.

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The ZiYuan-3 (ZY-3) is the first of a new series of high-resolution civilian remote sensing satellites, grown from a project that was initiated in March 2008.

The new satellite carries three high-resolution panchromatic cameras and an infrared multispectral scanner (IRMSS). The cameras are positioned at the front-facing, ground-facing and rear-facing positions.

Two cameras (front-facing and rear-facing) have a spectral resolution of 3.5m and 52.3km ground swath while the ground-facing camera has a spectral resolution of 2.1m and 51.1km ground swath. The IRMSS has a spectral resolution of 6.0m and 51.0km ground swath.

At launch the satellite had a mass of 2,630 kg. The satellite is equipped with two 3 meters solar arrays for power generation and will orbit a 505.984 km sun-synchronous solar orbit with 97.421 degree inclination. This orbit will have a re-visit cycle of 5 days.

Operational period will be four years with a possible life extension to five years.

The new satellite will conduct surveys on land resources, help with natural disaster-reduction and prevention and lend assistance to farming, water conservation, urban planning and other sectors, surveying the area between 84 degrees north and 84 degrees south latitude.

The ZiYuan program seems to cover different civil and military earth observation as well as remote sensing programs. The ZiYuan-1 program is focused on Earth resources and looks to have two distinct military and civil branches (this one being operated together with Brazil).

The satellites are operated jointly by the Center for Earth Operation and Digital Earth (CEODE) and the Brazilian INPE (Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais - National Institute of Space Research).

The ZiYuan-2 program is probably used for aerial surveillance being operated by the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) while the new ZiYuan-3 series will be used for stereo mapping (like the TH-1 TianHui-1 mapping satellite that is operated by the PLA). ZiYuan-3 will be operated by the State Bureau of Surveying and Mapping.

Together with ZY-3, China also launched the VesselSat-2 microsatellite built by LuxSpace Sarl, an affiliate of OHB AG.

Vesselsat-2 weighs 28 kg and will be integrated into ORBCOMM’s Next Generation (OG2) constellation of 18 AIS-enabled satellites after an in-orbit test and checkout phase. The specific orbit of the VesselSat satellites will allow ship monitoring and surveillance in the equatorial regions with a much higher revisit frequency than platforms in polar orbit.

The exclusive rights to use the data of the Automatic Identification System (AIS) payload belong to ORBCOMM Inc., a global supplier of satellite-based communication and data services.
 

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The Ziyuan III satellite has sent back its first set of visual data days after the orbiter was successfully launched on Jan. 9 to produce high-resolution imagery for civilian use.

According to a statement released Thursday by the National Administration of Surveying, Mapping and Geoinformation, the administration has made hi-res imagery based on analysis of the data and posted it on tianditu.cn, a map website made by the administration with independent intellectual property rights.

The visual data covered an area of 210,000 square kilometers that included the provinces of Heilongjiang, Jilin, Liaoning, Shandong, Jiangsu, Zhejiang and Fujian, said the statement.

The image quality produced from this data is even higher than that achieved by overseas satellites with the same resolution, said the statement, adding that ongoing tests on the satellite might further improve its image quality.

The satellite is expected to compete with its foreign counterparts that currently dominate the country's hi-res remote-sensing and mapping market.

According to the center, the satellite is tasked with offering services to aid the country's land-resources surveys, natural-disaster prevention, agriculture development, water-resources management, and urban planning.

The orbiter was developed and produced by the China Academy of Space Technology, a subsidiary of the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation.
 
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