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Lion

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It's not the fault of the rocket. It's the fault of the spacecraft. In anycase, the lesson to China is this: you can't rely on anyone.
I think china is just doing Russian a favor by agreeing to have their probe put on their space craft. Their glonass launch failed and a recent rocket launch failed too. It s not coincidence, it 's very sloppy quality cOntrol from russian.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Keep pumping up the spy satellites. China will launch 25 satellites this years exceeding last year record of 25. so far they have launched 15. 10 more to go
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China Adds a Spyglass in Space, Hints at More to Come

Matt Durnin is a Beijing-based researcher at the World Security Institute’s China Program and associate editor of the policy journal China Security. He specializes in China’s defense modernization and space programs.

China launched two satellites Wednesday as part of a decade-long rapid expansion of earth-monitoring capabilities that also buttress the country’s growing military prowess.

Yaogan-12, the primary cargo of the launch, is the twelfth model in a series of “remote sensing” satellites that many analysts believe are tasked with gathering military intelligence. China, which has never acknowledged a defense-related launch, claims that the satellite will be used for “scientific experiments, land survey, crop yield assessment, and disaster monitoring.”

Piggybacking on the ride was Tianxun-1, a 35-kg micro-satellite with a low-resolution camera. A 2010 paper in China Science and Technology Review described the satellite’s design as “low-observable,” suggesting it may be a test bed for basic stealth technology that could make small satellites even harder to track from the ground.


Since China’s controversial shoot-down of one of its weather satellites in early 2007, the U.S. defense community has churned with speculation about Beijing’s military intentions in space.

China has recently shown more concerted focus on military reconnaissance satellites, which are key components of its plans for a more integrated and aware People’s Liberation Army. This is a change from the 1990s when Chinese satellites were often dual-use, serving both military and civilian functions.

According to Kevin Pollpeter, deputy director of Defense Group Inc.’s East Asia Program, China’s satellite projects have since split into distinctly different groups. “You see on one side China’s satellites becoming more solely devoted to national security purposes,” he says. “On the other hand, on the civilian side they have been increasingly open with other countries.”

Earth-monitoring satellites will contribute to Chinese weather prediction, disaster relief and civil planning, but dedicated military variants will also amplify the effectiveness of PLA weapons.

Roger Cliff, a senior fellow at the Project 2049 Institute, says that such assets provide the PLA with crucial situational awareness.

“Ten years ago, if they had wanted to use their ballistic missiles to attack an airfield, they would have essentially been firing blind,” he says. “That’s not true anymore.”

Today China’s better reconnaissance satellites are thought to have ground resolutions under two meters, and perhaps as low as half a meter. Though these specifications pale in comparison to U.S. spy satellite capabilities, they are likely good enough for China’s defense needs.

According to Pollpeter, focus on basic yet proven technologies is likely an effective and intentional Chinese strategy. “A lot of time with U.S. defense technology we go for the platinum-plated version, but you don’t actually have to do that all the time,” he says. “In our own weapon systems we usually demand solutions that work in 100 percent of circumstances, when often the 80 percent solution might suffice.”

Though the price tags of Chinese reconnaissance satellites are not publicly known, they are thought to be a fraction of the cost of U.S. spy satellite programs, which frequently reach into the billions of dollars.

The relative low cost of Chinese satellite programs is complimented by a rapid launch tempo. Last year China successfully launched 15 rockets, matching the U.S. total for the first time. This year China may soar past that number.

Yuan Jiajun, deputy general director of China Aerospace and Technology Corp., told the state-run Xinhua news agency last week that China is scheduled to launch 25 satellites on 20 rockets in 2011. Since 13 rockets have carried 14 Chinese satellites into orbit so far this year, and one more has failed, Yuan’s comments imply that 10 more satellites could reach space by the end of December.

Yet it is perhaps too easy to be starstruck by China’s achievements in space. Cliff warns that although China has passed some impressive milestones, its limitations must be kept in perspective. He points out that China’s satellite programs seem to have hit road bumps in several areas, including radar satellites that have failed in orbit or have been repeatedly delayed.

“We shouldn’t make Chinese technological capabilities out to be ten feet tall,” he says. “The things that they are doing are not cutting edge in the first place and they’re not always going smoothly either.”
 

plawolf

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6 launches in less than 2 months to send up 10 satellites? Seems improbably, unless the comment was referring to financial, instead of calendar year. But I guess we will see.
 

Red___Sword

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I recall spacecraft lauching need this thing called "lauch window", so shoot a satellite up to orbit is not exactly like as casual as "coming up" a journal so that keeps a respectful career. Unless the Deceptcons has newly landed on the dark side of the moon, I fail to see China alone has the urgency to shoot 10 more spacecraft in one and half months.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Re docking success proof that they can reuse the docking mechanism All road is clear to building space station. Embargo or no embargo doesn't make a difference.

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BEIJING, Nov. 14 (Xinhua) -- China successfully completed Monday the country's second space docking that linked the unmanned spacecraft Shenzhou-8 again with the prototype space lab Tiangong-1, according to the mission's control center.

About half an hour before the re-docking, Shenzhou-8 had disengaged from Tiangong-1 after a 12-day flight together.

Shenzhou-8, launched on Nov. 1, rendezvoused and docked with the target orbiter Tiangong-1 on Nov. 3 in an orbit 343 km above earth, marking China's first space docking a success. Tiangong-1 has been in orbit since its launch on Sept. 29.

The Beijing Aerospace Control Center (BACC), which commanded the Shenzhou-8 mission, called the re-docking a success, during which functions of the measuring equipment and docking mechanism were tested in solar light.

Following the re-docking, the coupled spacecraft will fly together for two more days before the scheduled return of Shenzhou-8 to earth, Wu Ping, spokeswoman for the manned space program, said earlier.

The BACC said Monday that after the successful docking tests, the center will further modify the parameters of the orbit for Shenzhou-8 to return based on data collected through close monitoring over the procedures.

Prior to its return, Shenzhou-8 will re-disengage from Tiangong-1 and fly alone for a period of time, instead of immediately returning to earth, Li Jian, deputy chief engineer of BACC, said.

"Acquisition of the space docking technology is vital to China for implementing the three-phase development strategy of its manned space program," spokeswoman Wu said.

Another two docking missions with Tiangong-1 have been planned next year, and at least one will be manned, Wu said.

China plans to establish its own space lab around 2016 and a manned space station around 2020, she said.
 

no_name

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I thought only missions to explore other planets, heavenly bodies needs to consider launch window. Satellites should be able to be launched into orbit around the earth anytime if everything is in place.
 

Equation

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Re: china manned space - news and views

How long will China planning on keeping Tiangong-1 in orbit, even after all the missions completed next year?
 

Red___Sword

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How long will China planning on keeping Tiangong-1 in orbit, even after all the missions completed next year?

The expected lifetime for Tiangong-1 is 2 years by the formally published news.

During these 2 years lifetime, Shenzhou 8, 9, 10 are all going to docking with Tiangong-1, forming a rudiment 雏形 of manned space station, testify that China have what it takes to build her own Earth-orbit Permanent Manned Station, thus conclude the Phase TWO of China's manned space program.

In Phase Three, when Tiangong-1 is definitely decommissioned, China starts to built the REAL DEAL of Earth-orbit Permanent Manned Station, and do some REAL DEAL at Lunar exploration.
 

Schumacher

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Mission accomplished. They'll send one or two manned mission to Tiangong next year.

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China's central authorities congratulate success of first space docking mission
English.news.cn 2011-11-17 21:18:13 FeedbackPrintRSS

BEIJING, Nov. 17 (Xinhua) -- China's Vice Premier Zhang Dejiang on Thursday evening delivered a congratulatory note from the central authorities, celebrating the success of the country's first-ever space rendezvous and docking mission.

The successful rendezvous and docking between the target orbiter Tiangong-1 and the Shenzhou-8 spacecraft marks a significant breakthrough in China's space docking technology, and it is also a great leap in China's aerospace technology, reads the note sent by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of China (CPC), the State Council and the Central Military Commission.

It is an important milestone in the history of China's manned space program, and a landmark achievement in China's pursuit in building a country of innovation, reads the note.

Shortly before Zhang delivered the note at the Beijing Aerospace Control Center, Chang Wanquan, commander-in-chief of China's manned space program, announced that the space rendezvous and docking mission fully succeeded.

Launched from the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center on Nov. 1, the Shenzhou-8 landed in north China Thursday evening. The spacecraft conducted two docking tests with the Tiangong-1, which was launched from Jiuquan on Sept. 29.

The safe return of the Shenzhou-8 marked the end of the 49-day space docking mission, which will pave the way for the country's establishment of a permanent manned space station around 2020.

Other Senior officials, including State Councilor Liu Yandong, vice chairmen of the Central Military Commission Guo Boxiong and Xu Caihou -- all of whom are members of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee -- also watched the return of the spacecraft at the control center.
 
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