Why are you so obsessed with the early Russian and American space programs? Doesn't China have its hands full trying to stay current in the space exploration game?
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Why are you so obsessed with the early Russian and American space programs? Doesn't China have its hands full trying to stay current in the space exploration game?
Dude you are the one being obsessed with Chinese space program, that you argue they are heavy connected with the military, we are just presenting to you the evidence that all nation did the same thing when they got started. But I guess we presented you with the argument that you can't refute, you have no choice but to resort calling us obsessed for providing the evidence that shattered your false claim.
@stardave: You asked where I got the idea that China is interested in exploiting the mineral wealth and I gave you the quote. Why are you defensive about the Chinese goals for using the Moon's mineral wealth? And this one citizen you are trying to downplay is the head of the Chinese lunar exploration program. His words carry weight.
Again from your source: "...Ouyang Ziyuan, a prominent Chinese geologist and cosmochemist, was among the first to advocate the exploitation not only of known lunar reserves of metals such as iron, but also of lunar helium-3, an ideal fuel for future nuclear fusion power plants. Ziyuan, one of the strongest supporters of the Chinese human lunar exploration program, is currently serving as the chief scientist of the program....."
In any event I wish the Chinese good luck with their lunar program. It is not a trivial pursuit. It is a dangerous mission
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Whatever. Well the world including me wishes China continued success in its endeavors to explore space
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Who is trying to prevent China from following its own path in space? You need to have that defensive reflex thing about China in space checked out. Its clouding your vision.
Again from your source: "...Ouyang Ziyuan, a prominent Chinese geologist and cosmochemist, was among the first to advocate the exploitation not only of known lunar reserves of metals such as iron, but also of lunar helium-3, an ideal fuel for future nuclear fusion power plants. Ziyuan, one of the strongest supporters of the Chinese human lunar exploration program, is currently serving as the chief scientist of the program....."
In any event I wish the Chinese good luck with their lunar program. It is not a trivial pursuit. It is a dangerous mission
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Whatever. Well the world including me wishes China continued success in its endeavors to explore space
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Who is trying to prevent China from following its own path in space? You need to have that defensive reflex thing about China in space checked out. Its clouding your vision.
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
Nobody is. Because nobody can. Even the US can't, though it clearly wants to.
I'm just pointing out your severely warped biases that resulted in you hemming and hawing about America's own military motivations in space when it started out and yet simultaneously insinuating ominous undertones about China's own program. You refusing to recognize this, uh, inconsistency, does not in any way mean it's not happening.
Again, that is one person, he is not in charge of the whole program, when one person among 1.3 billion Chinese says something he don't control the space program. I am sure there are people within NASA have similar views, but I don't call NASA's mars program's main goal to exploit mars's resources.
And very nice of you to ignore the two article that have clear intend of American company that have connection with NASA wanting to mine the moon and asteroid.
I guess when we point out your hypocrisy, your only response is "whatever".
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That defensive paranoia you are carrying must be a crushing load. Its sad.
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You can't. You clearly don't know enough about the American Mars program to have an informed opinion.
So?
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
Bla bla bla is what I heard. But I find your response to my second paragraph much more telling, sir.
broadsword
Brigadier
Your don't need a Chinese to know that the moon can be exploited. But that is for the distant future, perhaps when the West arm-twist China to increase their supply of rare earth materials. In the meantime, why would the US spend vast sums of money for another Saturn rocket when they can can secure rare resources from Earth itself. The amount of money the US spends on defense and wars can fund how may Saturns? But since the West hunger for rare materials, it is provident for China to think of moon exploitation in case the US get their act together and race with China to the moon to mine.
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The US space program switched from moon to space station. It's that simple. The US, or for that matter, any nation, would love to go to the moon and truck back lithium and whatever. For the US, it's all a question of money.
Quickie
Colonel
There's no such thing as a technology purely for civilian or military use. I don't think anyone of us has classified data but adapting the space shuttle technology, such as the heat shield tiles and propulsion system is the cheapest, shortest and most logical route one would take for the X-37B especially considering the budgetary constraint. What can be easier in designing a new spacecraft than just using known technology from a tested design i.e. the space shuttle and downsizing everything from there.
The same can be said of the Chang Er 1 and Chang Er 2 moon probe mission. Or even the Yinghuo-1 mars probe.
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The heat tiles are just an excellent thermal protection system available to anyone with the knowledge to manufacture these simple items. Even the Chinese will end up having to use this technology. There is nothing secret or military about it. Its that you just don't understand and therefore must shroud these technologies in mystery because of your incomplete knowledge
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