They’ve done it to German ships before with great success. A right wing U.S. commentator with ties to the USN disclosed that earlier this year on how helpless the Euros are because they are not versed in navigating with disabled electronics.
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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Uh have you seen any USN Burke? If that's a ghost ship what would they be, remnants from a previous universe?
lcloo
Major
The Red line indicate the path of the Dutch helicopter NH-90 and frigate De Ruyter F804, which is in between Hainan island and Xisha islands, illustration based on video released by China. Interception was done by PLAN frigate 553 and a J16.
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There are some things the China side can do, but it doesn't change the fundamentals.
Fundamentally, the SCS problem is a Taiwan contingency problem, is a WESTPAC HIC problem.
Pic 1 creds to foolsball
Fundamentally, the SCS problem is a Taiwan contingency problem, is a WESTPAC HIC problem.
Pic 1 creds to foolsball
lcloo
Major
Hope you don't mind. Can you explain on this?
"Fundamentally, the SCS problem is a Taiwan contingency problem, is a WESTPAC HIC problem."
It helps a lot to give more details instead of a short sentence.
Edit: Asia's premier defense summit, the IISS Shangri-La Dialogue will be held in Singapore from today May 29th to 31st. I think the Dutch may be intentionally encroaching into Xisha to make it a highlight in view of this Asian Defense forum where top brass from the World are attending.
"Fundamentally, the SCS problem is a Taiwan contingency problem, is a WESTPAC HIC problem."
It helps a lot to give more details instead of a short sentence.
Edit: Asia's premier defense summit, the IISS Shangri-La Dialogue will be held in Singapore from today May 29th to 31st. I think the Dutch may be intentionally encroaching into Xisha to make it a highlight in view of this Asian Defense forum where top brass from the World are attending.
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antiterror13
Brigadier
How close was the rusty F804 to the newly being reclamated Antellope Reef ?
PLA watcher's view seem to be they must have gotten the standard anti-ship dry run that USN would get, but due to terrible situational awareness didn't realize how much danger they were in.
Shilao reckon PLA needs a new set of dumbed down intimidation tactics, if you play at too high of a level sometimes people just don't get it.
Totally fair.
Refer back to this post:
The layer deeper than just “The Flying Dutchman” is the broader China-US geopolitical situation in the WESTPAC (including the SCS). It is the overall structure. The Netherlands is part of NATO, operates within a US-led framework, and the ship itself sailed from the Philippines. Even if China ups their tactics in this case, or even against the Philippines (including getting rid of that rust), it does not fundamentally advance the broader China-US geopolitical structure.
A couple of reasons for example (not exhaustive): First, something like the 1IC will still exist. Bases in the Philippines, Taiwan, and the Ryukyus still exist. These are the physical hard power assets that these alliances are built on. Second, showing force against the NL or the PH is not the same as showing force against the US. The Philippines is weak; you need to prove that you can come out ahead in the China-US rivalry, not the "China-Philippines rivalry".
The most obvious "great change" that would affect this geopolitical structure is of course Taiwan. That leads to bigger WESTPAC questions (of course including the SCS). I think many here would agree (though certainly some might not), that the time to fully, wholly, and totally resolve the Taiwan issue will not come for quite a few years.
Some would criticize this as too 下大棋 (too much of a "4D chess"). I think the emotional criticism is valid, but I also think the calculus is logical.
As written in the aforementioned SCSPI article: