China's SCS Strategy Thread

[MwRYum]

I don't know what the fuss is all about. Why are people acting like this is a shameful incident? There is nothing shameful in defending one's sovereignty, mistakes and all. Shit happens. Important thing is to learn from mistakes and build up to be a stronger force in the future. I don't think China is trying to "sweep things under" either. Just because they are not disclosing anything now, doesn't mean they are not actively working on a better solution for the future. It's not like this is Indian level stuff by actually announcing victory Indo-Paki war style.

Some people will always suspect that it's not "natural" that we seldom hear about accidents happening to Chinese military, but then same people jumping hysterically when an actual accident happening.

Because... while in wars you win some you lose some, there's no escape when your enemy/ies magnify any lost you take.

But since it fuels the nationalistic fervor, you can expect there be calls to "wipe the smirk off those pinroy face(s)" so to speak. Chinese understood it as a proxy war against the US, which filipinos are US lapdogs as they always has been; and things like that has special meaning this year.

 

[zhangjim]

I don't know what the fuss is all about. Why are people acting like this is a shameful incident? There is nothing shameful in defending one's sovereignty, mistakes and all. Shit happens. Important thing is to learn from mistakes and build up to be a stronger force in the future. I don't think China is trying to "sweep things under" either. Just because they are not disclosing anything now, doesn't mean they are not actively working on a better solution for the future. It's not like this is Indian level stuff by actually announcing victory Indo-Paki war style.

Some people will always suspect that it's not "natural" that we seldom hear about accidents happening to Chinese military, but then same people jumping hysterically when an actual accident happening.

If viewed from the perspective of a ruthless strategist, this is indeed a negligible loss. But failure is failure, and any defense is meaningless.

Under various dog shit rules, soldiers have to use expensive warships to play this dangerous hide and seek game. This is bound to be a high cost and will not provide much help in ultimately solving the problem, especially when the leadership lacks determination.

Because... while in wars you win some you lose some, there's no escape when your enemy/ies magnify any lost you take.

But since it fuels the nationalistic fervor, you can expect there be calls to "wipe the smirk off those pinroy face(s)" so to speak. Chinese understood it as a proxy war against the US, which filipinos are US lapdogs as they always has been; and things like that has special meaning this year.

And as you said, image is not as insignificant as people imagine, especially in the current environment where countries around the world intentionally belittle China's strength. This may stimulate some arrogant forces to take more radical provocative actions, and the cost may be even greater at that time.

 

[votran]

I don't know what the fuss is all about. Why are people acting like this is a shameful incident? There is nothing shameful in defending one's sovereignty, mistakes and all. Shit happens. Important thing is to learn from mistakes and build up to be a stronger force in the future. I don't think China is trying to "sweep things under" either. Just because they are not disclosing anything now, doesn't mean they are not actively working on a better solution for the future. It's not like this is Indian level stuff by actually announcing victory Indo-Paki war style.

Some people will always suspect that it's not "natural" that we seldom hear about accidents happening to Chinese military, but then same people jumping hysterically when an actual accident happening.

we just don't understand if CCP don't plan to go hot why let 052D destroyer so close to water gun , boat ramming chicken game ?
allow pinoy boat lure CCG ship into 052d moving lane lead to this crash

if they plan to go hot or a bit of hotter intimidate (such as pointing gun at other side face) with real warship like 052d then why not do it ?

this mess can be easily be avoid by 052d just stay a bit further away and locked on philipines boat with it weapon system/cannon . trolling them all the time .

make them suffer under the noise of their own boat alarm system scream all day because the boat being locked-on . this can cut down their will to play chicken game by alot next time

yes i know this "pointing gun at your face" count as aggressive intimidate but i don't think it serious enough for any big uproar international incident , after all it still just trolling not actual shot fire . and with the current trump in office go as far as openly bombing iran soil , the US/west have no moral high ground to blame china

biggest they can do is some crying hot news about china aggressive , all gonna go back to normal after two weeks

 

[TK3600]

PLA is devolving soldiers into beaurocrates.

I don't know what the fuss is all about. Why are people acting like this is a shameful incident? There is nothing shameful in defending one's sovereignty, mistakes and all. Shit happens. Important thing is to learn from mistakes and build up to be a stronger force in the future. I don't think China is trying to "sweep things under" either. Just because they are not disclosing anything now, doesn't mean they are not actively working on a better solution for the future. It's not like this is Indian level stuff by actually announcing victory Indo-Paki war style.

Some people will always suspect that it's not "natural" that we seldom hear about accidents happening to Chinese military, but then same people jumping hysterically when an actual accident happening.

Shameful, because it is an avoidable mistake. The government had no business sending a destroyer for a job like this, but did it to aura farm. It ended up backfire spectacularly. The government should reflect on this mistake. If the intention is to intimidate, then the navy should not be so incompetent. Being a joke is doing the opposite of intimidation. If the intention is more practical oriented, they should not waste it on unsuitable activity in first place.

 

[Wrought]

last time i checked nearly all of PRC biggest gain in SCS come from ...actually firing alot of shot
if PRC didn't firing any shot like you said
hainan island now still belong to ROC , Paracel island and johnson reef + a bunch of other reef on spratly islands now still control by vietnam , philipines , ROC

As noted in the article I provided, the US admiral was specifically talking about the changes after 2012. Not conflicts from many decades ago. Your point is irrelevant.

 

[abc123]

Agreed, Type 052 destroyer had no job to be there, turning and blocking Phillipine ship- it's job for CCG ships, that are more suited for such things, plus are unarmed, so the probability of incident is smaller.

 

[votran]

Agreed, Type 052 destroyer had no job to be there, turning and blocking Phillipine ship- it's job for CCG ships, that are more suited for such things, plus are unarmed, so the probability of incident is smaller.

in fact if 052D locked on philipine boat and cause the west crying about china aggressive , china can talk right back like : said the nation openly bombing other country soil just few week ago
next time we will learn from you instead , hope you and your little proxy like it

 

[sanctionsevader]

some ppl probably stumbling into this thread wondering wtf did I miss Opium War 3 or someting?

 

[MwRYum]

PLA is devolving soldiers into beaurocrates.

Shameful, because it is an avoidable mistake. The government had no business sending a destroyer for a job like this, but did it to aura farm. It ended up backfire spectacularly. The government should reflect on this mistake. If the intention is to intimidate, then the navy should not be so incompetent. Being a joke is doing the opposite of intimidation. If the intention is more practical oriented, they should not waste it on unsuitable activity in first place.

Even standard police ops went FUBAR at times, there will be plenty of reviews and reports as such is required.

Like I've said, China's enemies will magnify even such minor setbacks and reap propaganda coup from it, which you're the fine example. As an ultranationalist I see it necessitates alternate approach to the problem. Now, should the central government insist on the "no gun" rule, then it's time to bring in vessel(s) that is more suitable for such ramming attacks, better if it has the potential to sink the target vessel via ramming.

China has demonstrated such option to good effect at least once..

 

[Dante80]

China’s actions in the South China Sea and beyond clearly reveal an expansionist agenda masked as “historic rights.” This isn’t about defending sovereignty—it’s about rewriting international law through military intimidation. The world can’t afford to let any nation dismantle the rules-based order that safeguards smaller states and global trade. Keeping China in check isn’t hostility—it’s necessary to preserve regional stability and protect the sovereignty of all nations. If left unchecked, China’s expansionism threatens to upend decades of international norms and peace.

That is a cool story, thanks for sharing. It's also pretty funny, given this post in particular.