China's SCS Strategy Thread

coolgod

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Your mistake is in thinking too deterministically. Nothing is guaranteed to happen here.
You don't believe that ship will be moved one way or another?

And that's not even getting to my original point about how stupid it would be to ground a new ship. Doesn't matter what authority it's coming from, it's just dumb. Dumb in such an obvious way, with such an obvious alternative, that it's not really worth entertaining.

The Pinoy president and his SCS cronies are dumb, what else is new?
 

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You don't believe that ship will be moved one way or another?



The Pinoy president and his SCS cronies are dumb, what else is new?

I think the ship will move under its own power. Because it's not grounded. Because that would be very stupid.

And this is not "politically convenient" dumb, this is "drinking seawater" dumb. They can do the exact same thing in a far better way with no extra effort. There's literally no reason to do it, which is why it's not plausible in any way.
 

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Due to Chinese coercion, the SCSPI tweet is meant to setup the coercion.

Never underestimate the power of stupidity.

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The coercion is beside the point. The point I made was that the ship is capable of moving under its own power, which is to say, not grounded (or at least not grounded seriously enough to require tugs and so forth).

There's understandable stupidity and then there's drinking seawater. And not because you're desperately out of freshwater (or old ships, in this case), but just because.
 

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Philippines attempts to ‘ground’ vessels at Xianbin Jiao in South China Sea: source

Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) patrol ships have been stationed within the lagoon of Xianbin Jiao (also known as Sabina Shoal) for as long as 45 days, effectively forging a quasi-military-grounding on the shoal, a source told the Global Times on Wednesday.
"These two most advanced Philippine maritime vessels will create a semi-permanent floating platform at Xianbin Jiao, equipped with a full range of multi-domain operational capabilities, including capacity of communication, reconnaissance, underwater detection, and helicopter landing and takeoff. They will become a military outpost for the Philippines at Xianbin Jiao," Yang said.
Yang said that the two coast guard ships are the latest model of maritime law enforcement vessels that the Philippines purchased from Japan. The BRP Cabra, commissioned since March 2018, features a bulletproof pilothouse design and is equipped with night vision devices, a workboat and a radio direction finder. It has undergone equipment upgrades to enhance its reconnaissance, pursuit and communication capabilities. The BRP Malabrigo is currently the most advanced ship in the PCG. It has a helicopter deck and hangar, allowing for helicopter takeoff and landing. The ship is also equipped with a hyperbaric chamber for use by individuals suffering from diving-related illnesses.
The events of 1999 will never be repeated. On May 9, 1999, Philippine military vessel BRP Sierra Madre illegally intruded into China's Ren'ai Jiao, running aground due to purported "technical difficulties," prompting China to lodge a stern protest. Despite repeated assurances from the Philippines to remove the illegally grounded vessel and its pledge not to be the first country to violate the DOC, 25 years have passed, and the Philippines has yet to tow away the ship.

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菲律宾“担忧”中国海警新规,外交部:没有不法行动就没必要担忧​

Reuters: The Philippines’ President today called new rules outlined by China’s Coast Guard that could result in detention of foreigners in the South China Sea “worrisome” and also “an escalation of the situation.” He said that the Philippines will use any point of contact with China to stop aggressive actions and allow Filipino fishermen to fish in the South China Sea. Does the Ministry have any response to this?

Mao Ning: The regulations are rolled out by China Coast Guard to standardize the administrative law-enforcement procedures of Coast Guard agencies and better uphold order at sea. It is consistent with universal practices. Individuals and entities have no need for concern as long as they have not done anything illicit.

Let me stress that it is the Philippines, not China, that has escalated the situation and made repeated provocations in the South China Sea. China’s door of dialogue and communication with the Philippines remains open, but it’s important to note that dialogue requires sincerity and whatever is agreed in dialogue must be acted upon, rather than talking about the need for dialogue while continuing to make provocations.
Remember China's new maritime rules which allows the CCG to detain foreigners? It's starting on June 1st.

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The coercion is beside the point. The point I made was that the ship is capable of moving under its own power, which is to say, not grounded (or at least not grounded seriously enough to require tugs and so forth).

There's understandable stupidity and then there's drinking seawater. And not because you're desperately out of freshwater (or old ships, in this case), but just because.

Your opinion on the state of the ship is irrelevant. China has basically deemed it a grounding and claims it will become a military outpost. The fact that China finally announced the news of the grounding after 45 days is already a signal.
 
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Philippines attempts to ‘ground’ vessels at Xianbin Jiao in South China Sea: source






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菲律宾“担忧”中国海警新规,外交部:没有不法行动就没必要担忧​


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Your opinion on the state of the ship is irrelevant. China has basically deemed it a grounding and claims it will become a military outpost. The fact that China finally announced the news of the grounding after 45 days is already a signal.

It makes sense as a semi-permanent military outpost, but the difference between a "quasi-military grounding" that's still floating and an actual stuck-in-the-sand grounding is significant. One is a political reality and the other is a physical reality. One can move under its own power but chooses not to, the other literally can't.

Which is what I was talking about before. You don't physically ground new ships, because that would be really stupid. Anchoring new ships in a politically sensitive spot achieves similar results, and that's what they've done here. A "grounding" is not a grounding, even if the political intentions are the same. My opinion matches what happened in reality.
 

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Pinoy cucks gets called out about the grounded ships at IISS Shangri-La Dialogue.

Philippine Commander-in-Chief:
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It's June 1st now, China's new maritime regulations has come in effect.
 
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Pinoy cucks gets called out about the grounded ships at IISS Shangri-La Dialogue.

Philippine Commander-in-Chief:
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It's June 1st now, China's new maritime regulations has come in effect.
I checked, and I saw that it is June 15th. Do you have the direct link to the announcement?
 

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I checked, and I saw that it is June 15th. Do you have the direct link to the announcement?
Sorry, my bad I got confused it is June 15th. The Philippine media and gov seem very concerned about it, we'll find out in 15 days.

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Who is 'illegal, coercive, aggressive, deceptive' in the South China Sea?

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Let's see if daddy America will protect Philippine coast guard this time.
 
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【Philippine personnel point guns at China Coast Guard during resupply mission】 At least two men on a grounded
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Coast Guard team patrolling in the waters off Ren'ai Jiao on May 19th.

Sounds like a felony to me.
 
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