China's SCS Strategy Thread

ansy1968

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Australia might, in the safety of her own island thousands of km away, scream and shout at China. But to fly all the way to S China Sea to provoke China, even with forward bases in Singapore or the Philippines, without US urging and backing ? I seriously doubt it.

Australia is not the smartest of the lot, but they ain't totally stupid and reckless.

And the same goes for Canada.
@Rettam Stacf bro since both of us are in the region why is ASEAN so quiet, it's our neighborhood. For me They're waiting for an excuse, You know IF there is an incident, it will galvanized the ASEAN to act and create a non military zone rendering the FON void. The mask is finally off revealing an ugly Western agenda.
 

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Australia might, in the safety of her own island thousands of km away, scream and shout at China. But to fly all the way to S China Sea to provoke China, even with forward bases in Singapore or the Philippines, without US urging and backing ? I seriously doubt it.

Australia is not the smartest of the lot, but they ain't totally stupid and reckless.

And the same goes for Canada.
I beg to differ. These operations are most likely decision from the former defense minister Peter Dutton & Co and primary designed to get an reaction for the election in May. Stupid and reckless, its the hall mark from these losers.
The new guys might not be much better, but I sense more game in them, and we wont be able to tell which way the wind blows for them for another few months.
 
Australia might, in the safety of her own island thousands of km away, scream and shout at China. But to fly all the way to S China Sea to provoke China, even with forward bases in Singapore or the Philippines, without US urging and backing ? I seriously doubt it.

Australia is not the smartest of the lot, but they ain't totally stupid and reckless.

And the same goes for Canada.

Why does Singapore and the Philippines allow Australia to use their base to provoke China? It does not serve their interest of preserving peace and tranquility in the SCS.
 

Rettam Stacf

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Why does Singapore and the Philippines allow Australia to use their base to provoke China? It does not serve their interest of preserving peace and tranquility in the SCS.

I read from an earlier post here that the Australian P-8 being intercepted by China flew out of the Philippines.

Australia does have an agreement with Singapore for using Australian airbases and air space for training in exchange for Australian P8 (and other planes ?) flying out of Singapore's airbase.

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ansy1968

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Why does Singapore and the Philippines allow Australia to use their base to provoke China? It does not serve their interest of preserving peace and tranquility in the SCS.
@Dolcevita bro I can answer regarding the Philippines, past administration sign a lot agreements and there is controversy when Duterte sign the suspension of VFA (one of many)questioning the use of his executive powers. So there are a lot of push back BUT some of the agreements need Legislative concurrence (like EDCA and MDT) and the Senate was pack with PRO AMERICAN legislature. Now most of those senators have lost their reelection bid and the new President will retain Duterte Independent Foreign Policy, with the Ukraine War a lesson had been learned and IF there is a major incident in the SCS or in Taiwan, most of us in the region will ask for a non military zone and may sign a COC with China rendering the Collective West effort in the region. That is the thing with the 5 eyes, they don't gauge the feeling of the country they vow to protect, they're an interloper, and who are they to meddle in our region, who ask them to come, well I have to correct myself with tiny Singapore as a staunch advocate...lol BUT you can see the trend, we in the region want peace and development not some stupid security arrangement.
 

ansy1968

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I read from an earlier post here that the Australian P-8 being intercepted by China flew out of the Philippines.

Australia does have an agreement with Singapore for using Australian airbases and air space for training in exchange for Australian P8 (and other planes ?) flying out of Singapore's airbase.
@Rettam Stacf Yup violating our airspace in the process...lol you have to ask the American why can't you armed us with sophisticated arms so that we can defend ourselves instead of you coming here. Is that the more cheaper option and also more convenient on your part? WHY? Because they don't trust Asian, only IF you're part of the 5 eyes or the Anglo Saxon world will they provide you such luxury.
 

ansy1968

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@Dolcevita bro a follow on regarding our quest for an Independent Foreign Policy, Duterte had started it and now BBM pick for National Security adviser will enhance it. She is a scholar, a professor and a nationalist who is critical of former Noynoy Aquino China policy and of America Pivot to Asia. IF Philippine flip all of ASEAN even tiny Singapore will follow, nobody want to hold the bag so to speak. it is telling that the most Pro American country in Asia is having its doubt and is turning Japanese I mean Chinese. :cool:

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13 hours ago — Retired University of the Philippines professor Clarita Carlos and former ABONO party-list Rep. Conrado Estrella III are the newest members ...
 

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Australia might, in the safety of her own island thousands of km away, scream and shout at China. But to fly all the way to S China Sea to provoke China, even with forward bases in Singapore or the Philippines, without US urging and backing ? I seriously doubt it.

Australia is not the smartest of the lot, but they ain't totally stupid and reckless.

And the same goes for Canada.

Again, what Canada and Australia did are different. I'm sure US and allies are encouraging surveillance missions around China. What Australia did here is intentionally provoking China with no additional surveillance value. It is Australia that screamed and shouted the loudest about Solomon Island.

At this point, I do think Australian military is stupid and reckless.
 
I read from an earlier post here that the Australian P-8 being intercepted by China flew out of the Philippines.

Australia does have an agreement with Singapore for using Australian airbases and air space for training in exchange for Australian P8 (and other planes ?) flying out of Singapore's airbase.

It is stupid of Singapore to allow Australian surveillance planes to initiate flight from Singapore airbase which aggravates tension and hurts Singapore's own security posture in her neighborhood.

@Dolcevita bro I can answer regarding the Philippines, past administration sign a lot agreements and there is controversy when Duterte sign the suspension of VFA (one of many)questioning the use of his executive powers. So there are a lot of push back BUT some of the agreements need Legislative concurrence (like EDCA and MDT) and the Senate was pack with PRO AMERICAN legislature. Now most of those senators have lost their reelection bid and the new President will retain Duterte Independent Foreign Policy, with the Ukraine War a lesson had been learned and IF there is a major incident in the SCS or in Taiwan, most of us in the region will ask for a non military zone and may sign a COC with China rendering the Collective West effort in the region. That is the thing with the 5 eyes, they don't gauge the feeling of the country they vow to protect, they're an interloper, and who are they to meddle in our region, who ask them to come, well I have to correct myself with tiny Singapore as a staunch advocate...lol BUT you can see the trend, we in the region want peace and development not some stupid security arrangement.
Same applies for the Philippines as Singaport unless the intent is raise tension.
 

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@Dolcevita bro a follow on regarding our quest for an Independent Foreign Policy, Duterte had started it and now BBM pick for National Security adviser will enhance it. She is a scholar, a professor and a nationalist who is critical of former Noynoy Aquino China policy and of America Pivot to Asia. IF Philippine flip all of ASEAN even tiny Singapore will follow, nobody want to hold the bag so to speak. it is telling that the most Pro American country in Asia is having its doubt and is turning Japanese I mean Chinese. :cool:

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13 hours ago — Retired University of the Philippines professor Clarita Carlos and former ABONO party-list Rep. Conrado Estrella III are the newest members ...
Wohoo!! I was fervently hoping that Proferssor Clarita Carlos would be picked for this position (national security advisor) rather than what was initially rumored slot as the next Foreign Affairs Secretary. I thought she would be wasted as the country's FAS due to her age since it going to require heavy travel. Not to mention that it requires a person with political savvy to maneuver the Philippines in it's delicate approach with respect to the two competing powers vying for her attention.

Professor Carlos based on my observations from watching her many past interviews on YouTube is frankly speaking too blunt for her to become an effective Foreign Affairs Secretary. It may have worked with the outgoing incumbent Secretary but the Philippines needs someone that can speak/communicate softly in public but can carry a big stick (able to assert the Philippines independent foreign policies free from the machinations and whims of it's former colonial master the U.S.)

It would be controversial if Imee Marcos was to be chosen as the Philippines next Foreign Affairs Secretary but from what I can observe she has the qualities, personal charm, intellectual and historical understanding that are needed to be an effective role carrying out the newly elected President's Foreign policy vision and independence.

@ansy1968 What do you think? Who's your country's next FAS
 
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