China's SCS Strategy Thread

PhSt

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@ansy1968

What is your assessment of the current situation surrounding the run up to the upcoming presidential elections in the PH? There are only 3 months left and the US is intensifying its propaganda campaign against Marcos who is the only contender who openly wants to continue good relations with China. Its not hard to notice the steady stream of smear campaign being carried out to discredit Marcos ahead of the election

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antiterror13

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Whilst the CIA and others now acknowledge that PPP is a better measure of GDP, that doesn't apply to much of the US government.

Trump (and others) certainly won't acknowledge this, and remember that Trump is most likely to become President again in 2 years time.

I don't see Trump would become the president again in 3 years (not 2 years)
 

ansy1968

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@ansy1968

What is your assessment of the current situation surrounding the run up to the upcoming presidential elections in the PH? There are only 3 months left and the US is intensifying its propaganda campaign against Marcos who is the only contender who openly wants to continue good relations with China. Its not hard to notice the steady stream of smear campaign being carried out to discredit Marcos ahead of the election

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@PhSt Bro, right now The Tandem of BBM and SDC (Sarah Duterte Carpio) is headed for a landslide victory, the focus is to destroy the pair credibility by black propaganda, it didn't work as the masses distrust most local MSM as puppet of the oligarch. The US desperation and panic had reach high gear as shown by the Bias outgoing Comelec Commissioner Rowena Guanzon trying to influence the DQ case against BBM. It all fail cause the case is frivolous at best and the DQ resolution will be delayed as retiring Commissioner needed to be replaces as it takes time to look for replacement.

Brother the 2022 election have been concluded before it started, some opposition candidate are trying to position themselves for the next election cycle in 2028 (Isko Moreno and Pacquiao) while for Robredo and Lacson it's their final hurrah! both will loss badly. And with Duterte promising a clean election, Smartmatic which the US is relying on to boost and steal the election will be under intense scrutiny by the public. With huge lead in the Poll for the pair, it will be impossible to cheat, so the cheating will be center on the Senators, by packing the senate with their loyal puppet, they can force BBM on pro US policy and law favorable to the elites.

My prediction, Duterte will act and campaign against most of reelectionist Senators Like Richard Gordon and other PRO US loyalist, this is a fight for his legacy. If BBM succeeded and his daughter become president in 2028 those crucial 12 years is enough to destroy the US influence and its Oligarch backers.
 

reservior dogs

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Agreed.

So this is how I see Chinese grand strategy these days.

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It's not like China will go on the rampage and start invading the entire world like an evil Darth Vader as some suggest, or start fomenting revolutions. This is counterproductive to China's economic interests.

The Chinese military voluntarily withdrew from Northeast India (1962) when the road to Delhi was open and from North Korea (1955) when it would have been straightforward to annex the land because the North Korean government and military were shattered. More recently, China continued to occupy Vietnamese territory after the 1979 war, but only withdrew after a decade when a China-Vietnamese settlement was finally reached.

And the Communist Party founding myth for the past 70 years is that it created a strong unified China against nasty colonial powers like the British Empire or Japanese Empire who tried to carve up the country. It's a big stretch to go from this founding myth to celebrating conquest like those nasty colonial empires of the past. These days, the driving goal in China is domestic economic development.

Taiwan fits into this because it is the result of an unresolved Chinese Civil War from 1949. Taiwan is also seen as the spoils of war from the 1898 Sino-Japanese war when Imperial Japan fought the Qing Dynasty. Consider the question of whether the Confederate States of America should have been allowed to exist? Or should Cuba be allowed to host foreign military forces or weapons?

And on the military side of things, Taiwan is the lynchpin of any effort to keep the Chinese military contained in the 1st Island Chain. An independent Taiwan would inevitably host foreign military forces and cement this situation. So any attempt at Taiwanese independence or Taiwan hosting foreign military units will likely trigger China to pre-emptively attack.

But China can live with the Taiwan status quo, like it has for the past 70 years.
There's still at least another 15 years of domestic development and relatively fast growth in China.
In this time, the economic, technological and military balances will shift sharply towards China over this time.
At the same time, China will be a very different place as the generation shaped by the cultural revolution dies out. They will be replaced by a softer generation who grew up after the 1980s.

We can expect to see these trends continue in the following 15 years, with China growing stronger and a softer generation coming of age. But Taiwan will still remain an issue, as it was for the Republic of China (Taiwan) and the Qing Imperial Dynasty before it.

So at some point in the future, I expect a political deal to be reached between Taiwan and China.

This is how I see a Chinese Grand Strategy playing out over the next 20 years.

In the next 15 years and beyond, Taiwan is a very useful instrument for China to constrain the United States. In the near term, they can use Taiwan to constrain American actions elsewhere. For example, if it looks like the U.S. is really going pick a fight in Ukraine, the Chinese can kick start a campaign to invade Taiwan. They can do military exercises and gather their troops off the coast. In the longer term, Taiwan can be used to keep the U.S. in a military race, bankrupting the U.S.

In ten years, the Chinese starts to pump out carriers two at a time in two shipyards. If Taiwan falls and the Japanese change their security alliance to either neutral or alliance with China, the U.S. might just decide to rein in our MIC and focus on more productive use of tax money like infrastructure or R & D. However, if China still had not taken Taiwan, to prevent the fall of Japan and South Korea to the Chinese camp, the U.S. must continue the arms race which we are destined to lose. the MIC will have a much easier job convincing the politicians to continue to fund the arms industry.

In addition, some Taiwan industries, being on the American camp, still has an unfettered access to the American market, which would not have been the case if China takes back Taiwan.

I think the value of Taiwan as a constraining force on America is way more valuable to China than as a military port for China. If they take Taiwan, It extends their reach by a few hundred Km, plus their subs can dive immediately below the thermal layer. I would trade that against the ability to constrain the U.S. any day.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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@ansy1968

What is your assessment of the current situation surrounding the run up to the upcoming presidential elections in the PH? There are only 3 months left and the US is intensifying its propaganda campaign against Marcos who is the only contender who openly wants to continue good relations with China. Its not hard to notice the steady stream of smear campaign being carried out to discredit Marcos ahead of the election

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Dynastic rule in the Philippines according to that filthy rag that's "The Atlantic" when it didn't have any issues when the late Pres.Benigno Aquino was elected president after his late mother became the President post Marcos not to mention that Dynastic political families are a thing in that country. From former Pres. Estrada having his kids becoming local and national politicians; Manny Pacquiao and his wife winning elections due to his immense popularity and accomplishments as a boxer that his wife used to her full advantage for her own political power and the list goes on.

It's clear that U.S. media are all full of manure that simply disguise their filth adeptly in the past when the flow of information was limited and the only source of information was pretty one sided: American side. Thank goodness for the breakdown of traditional media and from America's own hubris that the proliferation of different media has managed to make a dent to their awful and destructive propaganda.

Bong Marcos based on his polling that I have seen thus far looks to be the clear frontrunner amongst the slew of American first crowd of crowded Philippine presidential election rosters.
 

ansy1968

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Dynastic rule in the Philippines according to that filthy rag that's "The Atlantic" when it didn't have any issues when the late Pres.Benigno Aquino was elected president after his late mother became the President post Marcos not to mention that Dynastic political families are a thing in that country. From former Pres. Estrada having his kids becoming local and national politicians; Manny Pacquiao and his wife winning elections due to his immense popularity and accomplishments as a boxer that his wife used to her full advantage for her own political power and the list goes on.

It's clear that U.S. media are all full of manure that simply disguise their filth adeptly in the past when the flow of information was limited and the only source of information was pretty one sided: American side. Thank goodness for the breakdown of traditional media and from America's own hubris that the proliferation of different media has managed to make a dent to their awful and destructive propaganda.

Bong Marcos based on his polling that I have seen thus far looks to be the clear frontrunner amongst the slew of American first crowd of crowded Philippine presidential election rosters.
@Bellum_Romanum bro never in the history of the world where an official (a paid agent of the US)of an electoral body is hell bent to disqualify a candidate by nefarious means....lol Only in the Philippines my friend It's embarrassing to say Only in the Philippines.
 

hullopilllw

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At the moment, if China was to undertake a huge increase in military spending, the US would still think that it can compete because the US has a larger economy.

But if the US acknowledges that China has a significantly larger economy, then the US will know it is at a disadvantage in an arms race and more careful in its dealing with China.

I reckon it will be another 5 years before China's GDP grows larger than the US in exchange rate terms. That will come as a huge shock to the USA. The rest of the world expected this to happen at some point anyway, and this event would strengthen the hand of those who want to remain neutral or accommodate China. But expect more gnashing and hand-wringing from the US when that day comes. Then a longer period of time where the US tries to process and understand the situation.
The American political elites are already nervously counting down to 2028. That was why Trump got elected, the shocked Americans need a superhero that can address their anxiety over the possibility of being relegated into no.2 position in the world order.
 

ansy1968

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The American political elites are already nervously counting down to 2028. That was why Trump got elected, the shocked Americans need a superhero that can address their anxiety over the possibility of being relegated into no.2 position in the world order.
@hullopilllw bro It's not the political elites, It's the Wall Street Bankers and Tech company who are nervous. Their position are at risk cause they can't scam people no more...lol. Right now the shift is happening and whatever restriction and sanction the US gov't implement the world learned to adopt and move on without them, its a classic case of beating the dead horse.

From my perspective in 2025 when Trump ascend the presidency, most of these Tech company and Wall Street Bankers will coalesce with Trump and recalibrate its China policy as he do a Nixon. The US will implement its America first policy as they decouple not from China BUT from Globalization. They need China to transition as they need to export their overprice product to succeed, those chips made in Arizona and Ohio needed customer, and as China will be self sufficient by that time, why not negotiate so everybody can share the pie and maybe rebuild Chimeria again...lol
 

uinahime.chifune

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I agree that the next era of threat against Chinese national security will shift West. India, however, will need a rational to trigger an aggression against China. The Chinese population likely does not view the western border disputes as critical and frankly likely care more about the Amur Basin in the northeast. The Himalayas are a natural border and as much as India would like an independent Tibet, China has easier access to Tibet than India does.

I don't underestimate the US, India, Japan, or Korea and I don't think the CCP wants aggression against any of them. They aim for military parity against to US in the long-term and hope to keep relations leveled in the short-term. It is the US that feels the pressure to act now and 'contain' China. I don't think the H-20 is as big a deal for the Russians as they have their own program.

Once military parity against the US is achieved, everything will fall into place. The critical question is if that military parity is achievable and sustainable.
The Chinese miss the Stanovoy Area and Mongolia, but most people also realize rationally that now is not the time to expect Russia to split, it is not appropriate to confront Russia until the biggest threat is settled.
As for balance... After WWII, while the Eurasian was a scorched earth, the US ruthlessly ruined the Imperial Preference and GBP Seigniorage from the same-race British through the GBP-USD exchange agreement and got economic hegemony. The USSR, after the rapid development of semiconductor electronics technology, has not really been balanced with the US. Now China is a combination of the two, and it is also the unprecedented opponent of the US. Americans are trying to halt economic development but with limited effect. Before the balance, I think there will be a new explosive event that caused one party to give up entirely.
 

AndrewS

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In the next 15 years and beyond, Taiwan is a very useful instrument for China to constrain the United States. In the near term, they can use Taiwan to constrain American actions elsewhere. For example, if it looks like the U.S. is really going pick a fight in Ukraine, the Chinese can kick start a campaign to invade Taiwan. They can do military exercises and gather their troops off the coast. In the longer term, Taiwan can be used to keep the U.S. in a military race, bankrupting the U.S.
I don't see any need to actually invade Taiwan.

We can see that the US is facing a classic example of imperial overstretch where they are trying to be strong everywhere all the time in order to remain the global hegemon.

But there are too many potential flashpoints for them to deal with. Realistically they could only deal with one major war, but they actually have to plan for Russia in Europe, Iran in the Middle East, North Korea and also China. Plus a lot of small wars scattered in Africa. The US will be pulled all over the place.

And the situation will only get worse for the US in the future as China in particular grows. The US is attempting to pivot from the Middle East to Asia, but that just means China moving in as China is the world's largest oil importer. The Middle East countries can also see that China will likely be a larger economy and also end up with a larger military in the future.


In addition, some Taiwan industries, being on the American camp, still has an unfettered access to the American market, which would not have been the case if China takes back Taiwan.

I think the value of Taiwan as a constraining force on America is way more valuable to China than as a military port for China. If they take Taiwan, It extends their reach by a few hundred Km, plus their subs can dive immediately below the thermal layer. I would trade that against the ability to constrain the U.S. any day.

I don't see Taiwan as being a particularly strong constraint on the US. China doesn't really want to undertake a forced invasion given it will have many costs. But Taiwan is useful to the US whenever it wants to apply pressure to China
 
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