China's SCS Strategy Thread

ansy1968

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Okay things fall into places, First for the President check !!!! with Ferdinand Marcos Jr had declare his intention to run for President, Second for VP slot Sarah Duterte may switch with Bong Go at the least minute? that is the planned but GO will served as an insurance policy if Sarah decided not to run.
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2 hours ago — Thirty-five years since the historic ouster of his dictator father, former Sen. FerdinandBongbongMarcos Jr. announced his bid for ...
 

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I have just found it easier to put my thoughts together a bit better in video rather than text
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Okay things fall into places, First for the President check !!!! with Ferdinand Marcos Jr had declare his intention to run for President, Second for VP slot Sarah Duterte may switch with Bong Go at the least minute? that is the planned but GO will served as an insurance policy if Sarah decided not to run.

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2 hours ago — Thirty-five years since the historic ouster of his dictator father, former Sen. FerdinandBongbongMarcos Jr. announced his bid for ...
What are his chances? He has a part of the north, a part of the Visayas (Roamuldez). What about Mindanao? Metro Manila? Southern Luzon?
 

reservior dogs

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I have just found it easier to put my thoughts together a bit better in video rather than text
Link to post in Positive YouTube Channels thread
In the short term, you are correct that the Chinese will not take the bait and invade Taiwan. However, if the U.S. were to embargo China beyond the vicinity of China, the following could be the reaction.

1. China can declare embargo against Japan and South Korea, both U.S. allies. Since now Taiwan is in Chinese hands, they could easily accomplish this with minimal effort.

2. They could aid Iran with more and better weapons, upsetting the balance between Iran and Israel. They will ramp up the purchase or Iranian oil to be shipped mostly on land. If sea shipping is done, it will be done within the protective shield extended from both Iran and Pakistan.

3. If this happen in one or two decades, where the Chinese military is stronger, and if during this process the Australians also join in with the embargo (an almost certainty), China can use this to take out Australia. This may sound preposterous, but Singapore is connected to China by land, albeit separated by several countries. Under such extreme circumstance, it would not be difficult for China to say to these countries, we need to transit through your country to get to the Strait of Malacca. Between military coercion and some economic enticement, these countries would have no choice but to accept this request. Singapore would thus fall to China. After that it would not be too hard to convince Indonesia to allow passage, especially given that Indonesia and Australia are not in the best of terms, and the Chinese military staring at them from across the strait. If Indonesia were to not accept such a request, they stand to lose many islands. On the other hand, if they allow transit, they stand to make gains at the expense of Australia (East Timor returning to the fold of Indonesia?).

4, Once they are inside Indonesia, they can quickly establish a foothold in Northern Australia. With a population of just twenty million and fighting on their own soil, Australia would be no match against China. Under this scenario, what can the U.S. do to help Australia? We can certainly send in our subs, but these subs would be quite useless against a mostly land based operation. With the Chinese missile defense extending to Australia, there would be no U.S. surface ship going to Australia any time soon. The subs would be hunted down by the Chinese surface ships.

Any politician making a decision to do an embargo would be foolish indeed. The longer into the future, the more foolish this decision would look after it is all said and done.
 

yungho

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In the short term, you are correct that the Chinese will not take the bait and invade Taiwan. However, if the U.S. were to embargo China beyond the vicinity of China, the following could be the reaction.

1. China can declare embargo against Japan and South Korea, both U.S. allies. Since now Taiwan is in Chinese hands, they could easily accomplish this with minimal effort.

2. They could aid Iran with more and better weapons, upsetting the balance between Iran and Israel. They will ramp up the purchase or Iranian oil to be shipped mostly on land. If sea shipping is done, it will be done within the protective shield extended from both Iran and Pakistan.

3. If this happen in one or two decades, where the Chinese military is stronger, and if during this process the Australians also join in with the embargo (an almost certainty), China can use this to take out Australia. This may sound preposterous, but Singapore is connected to China by land, albeit separated by several countries. Under such extreme circumstance, it would not be difficult for China to say to these countries, we need to transit through your country to get to the Strait of Malacca. Between military coercion and some economic enticement, these countries would have no choice but to accept this request. Singapore would thus fall to China. After that it would not be too hard to convince Indonesia to allow passage, especially given that Indonesia and Australia are not in the best of terms, and the Chinese military staring at them from across the strait. If Indonesia were to not accept such a request, they stand to lose many islands. On the other hand, if they allow transit, they stand to make gains at the expense of Australia (East Timor returning to the fold of Indonesia?).

4, Once they are inside Indonesia, they can quickly establish a foothold in Northern Australia. With a population of just twenty million and fighting on their own soil, Australia would be no match against China. Under this scenario, what can the U.S. do to help Australia? We can certainly send in our subs, but these subs would be quite useless against a mostly land based operation. With the Chinese missile defense extending to Australia, there would be no U.S. surface ship going to Australia any time soon. The subs would be hunted down by the Chinese surface ships.

Any politician making a decision to do an embargo would be foolish indeed. The longer into the future, the more foolish this decision would look after it is all said and done.
That would be a terrible idea. Why are you roping more countries into a war? China does not want to create an East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere with invasions
 

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I was talking about a full trade embargo not simply oil, although obviously, an oil embargo would be a critical strategic part of the process.
I also agree with those that say expanding any possible conflict into a shooting war throughout the region would be a very counter productive idea. I certainly cannot believe it would be necessary either.

Coming back to the here and now, is there any information about the flight paths of the PLAAF around Taiwan?
More specifically are any fully circumventing the Island and flying through the Phillippine Sea to the East of it?
 

FangYuan

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In the short term, you are correct that the Chinese will not take the bait and invade Taiwan. However, if the U.S. were to embargo China beyond the vicinity of China, the following could be the reaction.

1. China can declare embargo against Japan and South Korea, both U.S. allies. Since now Taiwan is in Chinese hands, they could easily accomplish this with minimal effort.

2. They could aid Iran with more and better weapons, upsetting the balance between Iran and Israel. They will ramp up the purchase or Iranian oil to be shipped mostly on land. If sea shipping is done, it will be done within the protective shield extended from both Iran and Pakistan.

1. Trade is mutually beneficial, not one side benefits, the other doesn't. With embargo against Korea and Japan. It's like: "七伤拳" if you try to hurt others, you have to hurt yourself first. Korea and Japan should not be underestimated. They are strong enough to be a punching bag, if China can't knock out, they will be stronger. This strategy will backfire and harm China in the future.

2. Buying oil from Iran will certainly bring a lot of political risks for China, but if this offers more benefits than buying oil from Russia and Saudi then it is the right thing to do. But arms aid to Iran, absolutely not. Sure, China could cause a lot of trouble for the US and Israel if they decide to give Iran free weapons, but that would mean a slap in the face and infuriating many other Middle Eastern countries. And the close relationship with Iran could create a new enemy in the future: Iran. Remember the lesson of Albania and Vietnam. These two countries used to receive a lot of aid from China, then changed their attitude, against China and now they still blame China, they think that the aid from China is just a conspiracy, turn them into puppets and use them.
 

reservior dogs

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1. Trade is mutually beneficial, not one side benefits, the other doesn't. With embargo against Korea and Japan. It's like: "七伤拳" if you try to hurt others, you have to hurt yourself first. Korea and Japan should not be underestimated. They are strong enough to be a punching bag, if China can't knock out, they will be stronger. This strategy will backfire and harm China in the future.

2. Buying oil from Iran will certainly bring a lot of political risks for China, but if this offers more benefits than buying oil from Russia and Saudi then it is the right thing to do. But arms aid to Iran, absolutely not. Sure, China could cause a lot of trouble for the US and Israel if they decide to give Iran free weapons, but that would mean a slap in the face and infuriating many other Middle Eastern countries. And the close relationship with Iran could create a new enemy in the future: Iran. Remember the lesson of Albania and Vietnam. These two countries used to receive a lot of aid from China, then changed their attitude, against China and now they still blame China, they think that the aid from China is just a conspiracy, turn them into puppets and use them.
I was referring to the scenario from SampanViking where the U.S. enacts a embargo against China and enforce the embargo by the U.S. navy from Africa. Under this scenario, cutting off shipment from South Korea and Japan to the U.S. will hurt the U.S. quite a bit since they are an integral part of the U.S. supply chain. With the U.S. navy in the vicinity, all the gulf state countries will not dare to sell oil to the Chinese. They would get interceded at the Sea anyways. For China to survive, they will have to drastically increase their purchase of oil from Iran. Besides Russia, Iran is the only other oil country that will be willing and able to supply the oil to China. In exchange, China can help upgrade their weapons. Some of these weapons will be there to provide a protective shield for the shipment of oil from Iran to China via the sea. Cutting off access in the Strait of Malacca will force the U.S. navy to take the long route. Taking out Australia will cut off the Pacific path altogether for the U.S. navy and possibly end the blockade. Countries do this in an extreme state of duress for survival. Relationship to another country comes secondary. First priority is survival.
 
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