China's SCS Strategy Thread

[ansy1968]

I don't think there is any comparison between these two leaders. Duterte didn't intervene or got the Philippines involved in affairs outside his country's borders, Turkey meanwhile has directly intervened in places like Syria, Libya, and Azerbaijan.



The Philippines, like Indonesia and Malaysia, have a significant number of Chinese minorities, however, it looks like Chinese Filipinos are still largely marginalized in the country. I am wondering why there are no efforts until now by the Chinese minority to make their voices heard and advance their welfare and interests in the country. Every now and then when tensions flare up between the PH and China (most of the time as a result of exaggeration by Western controlled media of incidents in the SCS), Chinese Filipinos are targeted and are often victims of racial slurs, discrimination, and many forms of degradation. I think this kind of occurrence needs to be put to an end and the only way to do this is for Chinese Filipinos to form a kind of solidarity organization that will pursue to preserve their unique identity and at the same time campaign to change the hostile perception towards Chinese people. Chinese Filipinos will also have to be involved in politics to ensure that their interests are well represented in the country's political sphere.

Hi PhSt,

Discrimination is a FOREIGN IMPORT, since ancient times we trade, intermarriage and give each other respect, in other words we coexist. When the foreigners arrive they use the Yellow Peril threat as a justification to expand their rule, the locals go along with it believing that being a second class citizen in it's own country is better than an "INTSIK" a Filipino derogatory word for 'chink' . That's the reason for the establishment of the First Chinatown in the world. A ghetto for us Chinese to live within a cannon shot away, just in case they will foment a revolution and it occur many times. Most of our national hero had Chinese lineage, Jose Rizal is a Chinoy (Chinese mestizo) and even the peasant hero Andres Bonifacio. So I don't blame my fellow Filipino of Racism ,their action is a product of their time. We had coexisted and learned to respect each other. And by the way the reason for Filipino Chinese success (The Taipan) is that the discriminatory policy enacted (Chinese can't owned land) forces us to be more innovative and focus more on retail and manufacturing. That's how we dominate the business environment here.

I think this kind of occurrence needs to be put to an end and the only way to do this is for Chinese Filipinos to form a kind of solidarity organization that will pursue to preserve their unique identity and at the same time campaign to change the hostile perception towards Chinese people. Chinese Filipinos will also have to be involved in politics to ensure that their interests are well represented in the country's political sphere.

Well I had experience some form of discrimination but I'm lucky enough to have somebody there to guide me(my father), I had learned early on not to let HATE consume my life. It makes me a better person. And there is a life changing event happening in my country for the past 25years, As more Filipino go overseas to work, they also experience a worst kind of discrimination (rape, slavery ), It give them some perspective and a realization of their past action. As China grew more prominent they learned to appreciate the Chinese role in Filipino culture, as most of our food delicacies had been influence by the Chinese. And many had appreciated their Chinese lineage and not embarrass to show it anymore. I think more than 75% of Filipino in one form or another had Chinese blood in them.

 

[ansy1968]

I'm also part Filipino with Chinese ancestry, all this information is interesting. I was over there at the start of this year for family visit.
Didn't really heard bad things about Duterte but then again my family over there is not middle class or liberal orientated.

It was a different story when I was visiting some of my Filipino relatives in the US all I ever heard about Duterte was dictator this, dictator that.

Hello kabayan kamusta na,

Well can't blame our kabayan, It's there lifelong dream to migrate to the land of honey and milk. If you notice there is a lot of discrimination among us Filipino, A legacy of the Spaniards rule, that's how easily they conquered us a kind of divide and conquer. Regarding our compatriot in the US , they look down on their fellow Filipino here in the Philippine, having a green card is proof of their success. I had a lot of relative in the state, the way they act as if I owned them something, they demanded respect. That is why when I had a business in the US, I don't bother to inform them, knowing that they be working and don't want to be a burden. but when they visited the Philippine they demanded to give them our time and attention as benefited of their status. Maybe They had inherited the WHITE PRIVILEDGE mentality while living there.

 

[2handedswordsman]

Hi 2handedswordsman,

Duerte's regime is not so much credible. WRONG!!! His popularity legitimize his regime.

He tries to act as a regional hegemon like Erdogan, acting realpolitik to gain the most political profit from the great powers struggle in the region. Wrong again!!!! His action is for the best interest of my nation. THE PHILIPPINE NATIONAL INTEREST. there is nothing wrong to leverage your advantage( the best real estate in the Asian region)

But don't forget that he is an authoritarian regime leader, often they slip to hard populist language, racial and social descriminations. YET our democracy thrived, past president had a history of peasant persecution and riots, It never happen in Dutertes term, in fact the voiceless masses had a voice because of him, HE represent them that's why he is popular among them. And by the way a little secret, Duterte is a Hua Qiao himself, his grandfather(surname LAM) from his mother side is a Chinese.

There's also an on going civil war taking place in Philippines, where Communist militants have control in large rural parts of the country and mining operations. No civil war but a peace and order problem, I think your info is based on MARCOS era, there is only about 3,000 NPA and shrinking most of them are based in MINDANAO the home province of Duterte and he had links with them, Do you know that during Duterte college days he join the communist mass movement and the COMMUNIST OF PHIL head is his teacher JOMA SISON(exile in the Netherlands). That is why your info is so wrong, the reason for the defeat of the NPA (NEW PEOPLES ARMY) is because of him, many of them surrender because they know Duterte will keep his promise and that is RURAL prosperity (land reform) and RURAL JUSTICE (persecution of the landed elites the HACIENDEROS).

I'm a Filipino Hua Qiao, and I think I know more than you what's happening inside my adopted country. So an advise if you're interested in learning more about my country, I'm happy to obliged.

I do not doubt that you know things better than me about Philippines But It's a matter of prespective. How many years passed after Duerte promised rural prosperity? As far as i know he allows multinational mining companies to abuse rural land and populations. In who's favor?

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[ansy1968]

I do not doubt that you know things better than me about Philippines But It's a matter of prespective. How many years passed after Duerte promised rural prosperity? As far as i know he allows multinational mining companies to abuse rural land and populations. In who's favor?

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Hi bro,

good day,

As far as i know he allows multinational mining companies to abuse rural land and populations. In who's favor? Wrong again, he stop all form of large extraction of mineral, Bro please google Gina Lopez , see why Duterte selected her for the post of DENR.(Dept of environment and natural resources). You can see the brilliance of Duterte, He used an oligarch elite (Gina Lopez) to go after her own kind, most of those mines that were closed are own by the Elites and oligarch. And a Australian firm who had the backing of the previous President were never allowed to operate. He close them all. I think the sample of BORACAY CLOSURE is a good case study of Duterte leadership, I advise you look into it and we may have a good discussion.

How many years passed after Duerte promised rural prosperity? About 4 years, is that enough time for you to solve a CENTURY OF NEGLECT AND ABUSED by the LANDED ELITES (oligarch) , which I may say control the power of gov't and institution before Duterte came into power?

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That is why the NPA(insurgency) is a peace and order problem, they had no support from the populace and had resorted to extortion to survive. Their main theme are Filipino nationalism, rural justice and reform. Well Duterte is doing all that, their propaganda won't sell cause their ideas coincide. Like what I mention before He is like them, DUTERTE is a SOCIALIST leftist democrat, they had their chance when Duterte appointed 4 leftist to his gov't early in his term, they bungled it when they over extend their demand and attack the gov't forces believing Duterte will cave in. They underestimate him and therefore suffered the consequences.

 

[plawolf]

Thought I would post an interesting video on PLAMC and PLA amphibious forces.

The analysis is rudimentary to the point of parroting western MSM conventional wisdom, and as such is not worth much, but the underlying research on PLAMC and army amphibious forces seems solid.

Of particular interest is the breakdown of number of 071s needed for MC battalions, with potentially an additional 075 LHD or two per battalion for organic air support.

The inclusion of 075(s) would also address the transportation needs for support and ancillary units mentioned in the video, as well as probably absorb the forces that would have deployed via LSTs for short range (read Taiwan) amphibious operations when deploying on long range force projection missions.

You can do you own back-of-the-envelop calculations on the implications for the potential number of 071 and 075s the PLAN might be looking to get ultimately. I would say you only need to factor in marine brigades for this, as I serious doubt the PLA’s amphibious brigades are intended to anything other than Taiwan.

If and when Taiwan is reunited with the mainland, I would expect the army to abolish its amphibious forces, and they will be partly re-absorbed into the army and partly transferred to the marines.

 

[Temstar]

If and when Taiwan is reunited with the mainland, I would expect the army to abolish its amphibious forces, and they will be partly re-absorbed into the army and partly transferred to the marines.

Surely not? By that time China would have interest all around the world from BRI and would need the ability to move marines around to defend its overseas interests.

 

[plawolf]

Surely not? By that time China would have interest all around the world from BRI and would need the ability to move marines around to defend its overseas interests.

The PLA amphibious brigades are very specialist heavy assault formations designed almost exclusively for a Taiwan beachhead breakout and total invasion role.

Once Taiwan is reunited with the mainland, there would be little need for such a massive specialised heavy assault force like that. The PLAMC force structure of lighter, more flexible formations would be far better suited for more conventional expeditionary force roles involved with protecting BRI investments and Chinese overseas personnel.

 

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Not sure if this the right thread to post this news
China and russia fly joint bomber patrol over the sea of japan and east China sea second time since 2019
Good development this will shows the anglos and especially japan that they will not succeed in containing either China or russia
It will be even better if China can regularly exercise with russia in sakhalin island, this will make japan think twice of messing with China in the scs

 

[PhSt]

Hi PhSt,

Discrimination is a FOREIGN IMPORT, since ancient times we trade, intermarriage and give each other respect, in other words we coexist. When the foreigners arrive they use the Yellow Peril threat as a justification to expand their rule, the locals go along with it believing that being a second class citizen in it's own country is better than an "INTSIK" a Filipino derogatory word for 'chink' . That's the reason for the establishment of the First Chinatown in the world. A ghetto for us Chinese to live within a cannon shot away, just in case they will foment a revolution and it occur many times. Most of our national hero had Chinese lineage, Jose Rizal is a Chinoy (Chinese mestizo) and even the peasant hero Andres Bonifacio. So I don't blame my fellow Filipino of Racism ,their action is a product of their time. We had coexisted and learned to respect each other. And by the way the reason for Filipino Chinese success (The Taipan) is that the discriminatory policy enacted (Chinese can't owned land) forces us to be more innovative and focus more on retail and manufacturing. That's how we dominate the business environment here.

I think this kind of occurrence needs to be put to an end and the only way to do this is for Chinese Filipinos to form a kind of solidarity organization that will pursue to preserve their unique identity and at the same time campaign to change the hostile perception towards Chinese people. Chinese Filipinos will also have to be involved in politics to ensure that their interests are well represented in the country's political sphere.

Well I had experience some form of discrimination but I'm lucky enough to have somebody there to guide me(my father), I had learned early on not to let HATE consume my life. It makes me a better person. And there is a life changing event happening in my country for the past 25years, As more Filipino go overseas to work, they also experience a worst kind of discrimination (rape, slavery ), It give them some perspective and a realization of their past action. As China grew more prominent they learned to appreciate the Chinese role in Filipino culture, as most of our food delicacies had been influence by the Chinese. And many had appreciated their Chinese lineage and not embarrass to show it anymore. I think more than 75% of Filipino in one form or another had Chinese blood in them.

Thank you, I am aware of the massive Chinese Filipino presence in the Philippines economy, 7 out of 10 most richest Filipinos are Chinese Filipinos, this is a clear testament that the country's financial sphere are dominated by the Chinese. But what seems to be missing is political parties that caters to the local Chinese minority. In contrast, neighboring countries like Malaysia have the Malaysian Chinese Association Party, In Indonesia, there used to be the Chinese Indonesian Democratic Party that existed from 1948 to 1965, I'm not quite sure what happened to the party post 1965. Anyways, the presence of Chinese settlers in the Philippines pre-dates the arrival of the Spanish colonists so there shouldn't be any question about their legitimacy to have a say in Philippine politics. The establishment of a Chinese Filipino political party would be helpful in facilitating the improvement of relations between PH and China as well as promote increased interaction in trade, commerce and cultural exchange. This will also enable China to extend its soft power influence in South East Asia.

 

[ansy1968]

Thank you, I am aware of the massive Chinese Filipino presence in the Philippines economy, 7 out of 10 most richest Filipinos are Chinese Filipinos, this is a clear testament that the country's financial sphere are dominated by the Chinese. But what seems to be missing is political parties that caters to the local Chinese minority. In contrast, neighboring countries like Malaysia have the Malaysian Chinese Association Party, In Indonesia, there used to be the Chinese Indonesian Democratic Party that existed from 1948 to 1965, I'm not quite sure what happened to the party post 1965. Anyways, the presence of Chinese settlers in the Philippines pre-dates the arrival of the Spanish colonists so there shouldn't be any question about their legitimacy to have a say in Philippine politics. The establishment of a Chinese Filipino political party would be helpful in facilitating the improvement of relations between PH and China as well as promote increased interaction in trade, commerce and cultural exchange. This will also enable China to extend its soft power influence in South East Asia.

Hi PhSt,

The Filipino Hua Qiao is apolitical due to Chinese prohibition related to the cold war, Remember that the Phil sent an Army contingent to SK during the Korean War, It unleashed the Yellow Peril fear in the Philippine and one of the journalist that spread that fear is a CIA operative in the name of MR BENIGNO AQUINO( a correspondent) . Yup the same fellow whose name is embedded in our International Airport, the husband of our EDSA REVOLUTION heroine CORAZON AQUINO , the father of our previous President Noynoy Aquino. See the family connection and the hidden arm of the US. This family is a cursed to our nation and their quarrel with the MARCOS Family set us back a decade of development ( both family are Hua Qiao but the most prominent is Mrs Aquino family side). President Duterte break that cursed by allowing the remains of the late President Marcos whose dying wished is to be laid on the grounds of the LIBINGAN NG MGA BAYANI (HEROS CEMENTERY) in FORT BONIFACIO, being a former soldier and a President he deserve that right. Anyway it break the tension and allow the people to MOVED ON with their lives and focus on economic development.

President Marcos established a diplomatic relationship with China open the way for us Hua Qiao to ventured out, HE did this to limit the power of the Elites and Oligarch. Thus the TAIPANS were born and they help in the development of the Philippine industry, but this captains of industry knows the peril of choosing side, the term Crony capitalist is being used against them (the US can't control them unlike the Chinese mestizo (landed elites)). That's is the reason for being apolitical we were wise enough not to be used for their political game. That's the old generation the younger one are more political savvy and had enter the political scene. This new generation identity themselves as Filipino first , if you see the list of top politician holding public service most of them had Chinese surname, while others boast of their Chinese lineage. Like what I said before the life changing event were more Filipino OFW (overseas Filipino workers) experience discrimination abroad , when they come back they fully understand our suffering and can relate, thus we are able to coexist peacefully. May I add, the Filipinos hold no sympathy for HKG, when their employer ask their Filipino helpers to join them in their protest, they refuse and why should they, they had suffered a lot of abused from them and is well known to us here, and you may include the Singaporean. That's why any propaganda against China coming from this source is being taken with a grain of salt. Cause they ain't saint as they claim to be.