China's SCS Strategy Thread

[Japhethsdecendent]

What are you talking about? China just got it's semicondoctor industry shaken if not destroyed in terms of competitiveness for example. I feel bad for the chinese people, first being ruled by communism and now being pressed into service by some madman trying to take over the world. What America's gaff are you referring to? Are you going to pretend it didn't originate in wuhan and that china didn't let people fly all over the world spreading it? China has plans to do a lot of things but how is china 2025 for example coming along? We have had hypersonic icbms since the 1960s, also you can't know how many of these missiles you will have to salvo to do serious damage, we do have interceptors and they have been tested to have pretty high pk. You only have about 22 df-26's and it's unknown how many are antiship varients. They will have to get past layered defenses and probably EW and hit a moving target at least, maybe have its targeting network degraded as well so it's not that easy. Once you get within 2000km you get maybe about 250 ballistic missiles within range. and then there are the antiship cruise missiles but at that point they will be carried by platforms that are vulnerable. As to type-55 being the most modern and powerful I don't think so, it is competetive with a burke or tico but seems to still have inferior radar performance by what little information was given. It has decent VLS volume but they are currently outnumbered. It might have a reduced radar cross section compared to burke and tico but it's no zumwalt. Overall it's decent but saying its the most powerful is probably a stretch.

Fonops continue and pushing the phillipines around isn't impressive. First you need the victory don't count chickens before they hatch.

 

[Japhethsdecendent]

Starting a major war isn't improving anything. If I thought china would allow more freedom then I would be for it surpassing but that is far from what I see.

 

[manqiangrexue]

What are you talking about? China just got it's semicondoctor industry shaken if not destroyed in terms of competitiveness for example. I feel bad for the chinese people, first being ruled by communism and now being pressed into service by some madman trying to take over the world. What America's gaff are you referring to? Are you going to pretend it didn't originate in wuhan and that china didn't let people fly all over the world spreading it? China has plans to do a lot of things but how is china 2025 for example coming along? We have had hypersonic icbms since the 1960s, also you can't know how many of these missiles you will have to salvo to do serious damage, we do have interceptors and they have been tested to have pretty high pk. You only have about 22 df-26's and it's unknown how many are antiship varients. They will have to get past layered defenses and probably EW and hit a moving target at least, maybe have its targeting network degraded as well so it's not that easy. Once you get within 2000km you get maybe about 250 ballistic missiles within range. and then there are the antiship cruise missiles but at that point they will be carried by platforms that are vulnerable. As to type-55 being the most modern and powerful I don't think so, it is competetive with a burke or tico but seems to still have inferior radar performance by what little information was given. It has decent VLS volume but they are currently outnumbered. It might have a reduced radar cross section compared to burke and tico but it's no zumwalt. Overall it's decent but saying its the most powerful is probably a stretch.

Fonops continue and pushing the phillipines around isn't impressive. First you need the victory don't count chickens before they hatch.

China's semiconductor industry was never there before the tech war gave it the drive to form. What completeness are you talking about? It was never complete but now there are plans at every step to complete it in the next year. America, once again, accidentally drove China to greatness.

What gaff? Having the highest COVID mortality is no gaff to you? LOL I feel bad for Americans being led by such an incompetent imbecile into a confrontation with a country they cannot win against. Where COVID originated is not the point; the point is that it hit nowhere harder than it did the USA, from China to all the countries far and near, it wrecked America.

I see you are ignorant about hypersonic ICBMs. You are talking about terminal phase. That's always been around. I'm talking about the entire journey at low altitude to evade sensors and interceptors, which America does not have. You don't even know this basic information you should just STFU about the military LOL

055 is more powerful and modern than Tico or Burke. It's VLS are larger to accommodate more powerful missiles and quad-pack smaller missiles. What radar performance information? You don't even know that hypersonic ICMBs refer to new designs that evade interception and you want people to think you have classified radar information? Although Zumwalt was conceived to be more modern and advanced than the 055, the actual result was simply such a failure they nixed the design to 2-3 ships from the original 29. It's trash. There is no American ship that matches the 055.

Starting a major war isn't improving anything. If I thought china would allow more freedom then I would be for it surpassing but that is far from what I see.

So tell your country not to start a war with China, duh. China will allow as much freedom as it sees fit and nobody cares what you are for.

 

[Nobonita Barua]

The US used much softer tactics which is why it has proliferated around the world.

You mean with records of bombs , setting up military bases, spreading pornography & being the first to use WMD against a country?

China doesn't treat it's minorities well so why would anybody want to be or accept being ruled by it?

You mean to tell me peoples are desperate to be ruled by US because it treats its 350 millions wannabe governments equally? Like George Floyd?

They get to be controlled and under emperor xi

They wanted to be controlled by 350 million wannabe governments while "keeping in line" with their national security?

China can't fight the US alone let alone the coalition

Who is going to fight? 350 million wannabe government? US can't fight Iraq without coalition. It's a failed wannabe Disneyland that will be gone for good. Considering 350 million wannabe government don't tear each other first. Who in the "coalition " is standing up to secure the lil leader? Oh look, no one.

Apparently you are not aware of CCP talking points because I was quoting them.

Apparently you are not aware of your own history because fake Americans don't like to talk about it.

the US and friends for not letting china control large swaths of ocean randomly.

We are angry. For letting US & friends taking over entire continent from natives.

It's just freedom of navigation nobody is invading china

Like Cuban missile crisis that was created by Russia's freedom to keep missile in Cuba.
I like how freedom works. In unidirectional way.
We thought no one was invading native American too. But see, now it has become naughty America.

Not only with numbers of 5gens or advanced 4th gens but in development of 5gens and now 6gen coming along. Spy-6,sm-6 upgrade, f-22 mlu, f-35 upgrade, aim-260, perhaps other air to air missiles, next gen harm, JSM cruise missile for f-35, f-35c on US carriers, f-35B on lightning carriers, lifting restrictions on missile development from INF treaty to also put missiles around the pacific, and b-21 to name high profile change all probably within 5 years and some as soon as 2 years. I know china is more secretive but what will it do to counter all that? Finally finish j-20s engine? Keep pumping out modern but not cutting edge ships? It seems the US has kicked into high gear

What are these? Desert bombing toys? Apparently North Korea think that they are far for interested in New York than these lil useless toys you got from euros, specially Germans.

I am wondering what china will do to not fall behind?

Lol, nothing.
Last I checked China was building it's force on its own. I don't get the US kicking in high gear. A failed wannabe Disneyland kicking in high gear while standing at verge of CW2 is weird.

Hopefully you give a serious answer it's a genuine question

Anytime you get serious about reality instead of Hollywood vibe that you are ready to save the planet from alien invasion, lil leader.

You really think the US, japan, Austrailia, india are going to just kneel down to your demands?

Do you think Russia, China, Iran are going to kneel before yours?

Even tiawan is arming and getting more confident.

Lol, so is Taliban. Iran. Venezuela.

Ever wondered why even useless nation like India never let fake Americans set foot in their territory?

It doesn't matter how much you huff and puff , time to evacuate Native American continent as well as Aboriginal continent.
We will be listening to your whining after that.

 

[Nobonita Barua]

Starting a major war isn't improving anything. If I thought china would allow more freedom then I would be for it surpassing but that is far from what I see.

As soon as we see people illegally living in Native America ready to accept decision of globe regarding them, I would believe your freedom theory.
Otherwise, US won't be invading anything ever. It won't be left to do so.
We will free native America.

 

[Temstar]

The US used much softer tactics which is why it has proliferated around the world.

I'm sorry we are talking about a country that has openly threatened PRC three times with nuclear weapons and actively planned in cooperation with the USSR to attack Lop Nur with nukes in order to strangle China's nuclear weapons program while it's still in the crib, are we not?

You can see why China does not have such a rosy picture of USA.

 

[Japhethsdecendent]

Our country is fine people are playing with the numbers like the chinese economic numbers. No sane person believes china had such a low mortality rate. America doesn't have sensors and interceptors? I'll just let that hang there. I refered to info posted on this site on an article on type-55. And what small missiles are you talking about? Soon LRASM will be in VLS as well as it currently being air launched. From what I read on the report type -55s radar range is near spy-1D. Currenty flight 2 burkes and ticos easily match 55s in radar performance and when LRASM is added their armamament will be deadlier also. Not to mention spy-6 is right around the corner.

 

[Japhethsdecendent]

The nuke on japan ended a massive war, controversial but I like how you ahve to go back to before the ccp was even a thing for your arguments. There is no contest as to where people would rather live and be ruled by go ask them yourself and lets see who sides with who. The discussion about whether china is good to it's people or the world is so ridiculous I won't even comment, again I don't feel like I need to say much here let the people decide but don't try to force them or use military threats. We don't need china, russia or iran to kneel just to sit down and chill out there will be no world takeover. Russia is barely a frenemy of china anyway they would love to see china cut down to size.

 

[Japhethsdecendent]

Again the natives don't want to live in grass huts and they certainly don't want to be ruled by china so what is your point? We can do this all day get out of tibet, get out of inner mongolia and those muslim areas and so on. You don't need a rosy picture just don't start a war over blind nationalism and some fake islands.

 

[Temstar]

The nuke on japan ended a massive war, controversial but I like how you ahve to go back to before the ccp was even a thing for your arguments. There is no contest as to where people would rather live and be ruled by go ask them yourself and lets see who sides with who. The discussion about whether china is good to it's people or the world is so ridiculous I won't even comment, again I don't feel like I need to say much here let the people decide but don't try to force them or use military threats. We don't need china, russia or iran to kneel just to sit down and chill out there will be no world takeover. Russia is barely a frenemy of china anyway they would love to see china cut down to size.

In 1950, President Truman publicly stated that the use of nuclear weapons was under "active consideration" against Communist Chinese targets during the Korean War.

In 1953, President Eisenhower threatened the use of nuclear weapons to end the Korean War if the Communist Chinese refused to negotiate.

In order to support the continued existence of the Republic of China government, the United States issued several nuclear threats against the People's Republic of China in the 1950s to force the evacuation of outlying islands and the cessation of attacks against Quemoy and Matsu.

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Funny how that sort of nuclear blackmail only stopped after China developed her own nuclear weapon.